EOS-R - It's out. Thoughts?

Sounds reasonable.

Keep sending that good use Canon gear our way. I'll be stocking up on a few more lenses next year since I'm keeping my 5DS in addition to getting the EOS R, and or model following. In several years, I'd like to have double for certain ones. I have bought used with success. Maybe you can find some good used deals too.

It's intriguing to see whether some people make a move at a point when it's 99.9% certain where Canon is likely to go with their next body. The next lenses are not known exactly, but someone pointed out about 18 dark shadows in an image behind the 4 new lenses released. Other brands are a safe move for most other people. But I'm in no hurry and have time to enjoy the slow but steady evolution.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18714344
If silent shooting is so normal and expected behavior, why have cameras and phones had the "shutter sound" implemented by default everywhere for nearly 2 decades?

I understood that, at least in some territories, the fake shutter sound is to prevent "dubious" use of photography gear: https://www.engadget.c​om …one-problem/?guccounter=1

Wilt wrote in post #18714489
Hey, you need not defend the feature, I am legitimately trying to LEARN how an eye-focus camera handles that situation for one shot, when the next shot might well benefit from the presence of that feature!

Some responses have been 'use face focus', which is a perfectly good thing to do. But how does one disable eye focus quickly for one shot, so they can rely upon face focus for the second shot one second later, or even shift AF points for the third shot, one additional second later?

It’s a separate button. You can assign a standard AF point driven focus to the shutter (for example) and then assing the lens button or the AF-on button to be eye focus.

You can also set the camera so that if it cannot find eyes, it will look for a face. This is good for sunglasses or people in profile.

This isn’t “dumbing down” photography. This is getting the camera out of the way. With eye AF, you can compose a photo looking just at the scene and composition. You don’t have to place an AF point on the subject. Just see the shot, and let Eye AF find the subject.

This is one of the highlights I look forward to in a mirrorless. This function would be great when you take pictures of kids, where they are constantly looking around, back up to you, running to and fro between toys, etc. Why waste time trying to put one of the outer AF points on the child and hope you get their eyes in focus, instead of an ear, nose, etc. Why waste time doing that when the camera could, and you simply can snap the button when you see the expressions you are looking for without worry on what is in focus?

However, Canon's face detect isn't quite to the speed it needs to be, and it seems eye AF is about the same speed (thus just an extension of face detect). Also, it is a bit deficient in the realm of continuous focusing and taking shots, until possibly a firmware update addresses part of this. It is a good start however, and I have no doubt Canon will sic some great engineers onto improving these features.

Unfortunately, if I get something like an A73 or A7r3, I am looking at around $500 in extra accessories. I would need a metabones adapter and an XPRO transmitter for Sony to add to the bag. If I were looking at the A73 vs the EOS-R, the Sony is still a bit more expensive overall, even considering I would need the $99 EOS-EF adapter, and I would lose a bit of resolution and have a lesser EVF, but gain in other areas. It's a tough decision.

mdvaden wrote in post #18714517
Have you seen this video yet? Jump to 36:20 ... Do you think that the banding Polin talks about with the A7R iii is similar and related the EOS R banding Northrup noted? Polin aimed for a cause. I think Northrup didn't diagnose but stated it existed.

I believe in this case they figured out it was certain LED boards on the field with light at a certain frequency, IIRC

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18714744
This is one of the highlights I look forward to in a mirrorless. This function would be great when you take pictures of kids, where they are constantly looking around, back up to you, running to and fro between toys, etc. Why waste time trying to put one of the outer AF points on the child and hope you get their eyes in focus, instead of an ear, nose, etc. Why waste time doing that when the camera could, and you simply can snap the button when you see the expressions you are looking for without worry on what is in focus?

However, Canon's face detect isn't quite to the speed it needs to be, and it seems eye AF is about the same speed (thus just an extension of face detect). Also, it is a bit deficient in the realm of continuous focusing and taking shots, until possibly a firmware update addresses part of this. It is a good start however, and I have no doubt Canon will sic some great engineers onto improving these features.

Unfortunately, if I get something like an A73 or A7r3, I am looking at around $500 in extra accessories. I would need a metabones adapter and an XPRO transmitter for Sony to add to the bag. If I were looking at the A73 vs the EOS-R, the Sony is still a bit more expensive overall, even considering I would need the $99 EOS-EF adapter, and I would lose a bit of resolution and have a lesser EVF, but gain in other areas. It's a tough decision.

It’s not a tough decision.......

Stick with your mirrored body and wait for the EOS R mk2 or mk3.

If it’s not serious nature you can throw some $$$$ at the EOS R mk1 and enjoy some mirrorless features with good performance.

We are just messed up in having High performance and rigid in compromise.

Im planning to gather glass for my Sony setup but man is this EOSR body making me think. However I’m thinking more about the EOS R mk2, 3 etc when Canon really gets real hardware on the shelves.

For now I have little excitement on the canon FF mirrorless. In due time.....

For an new adventure the Sony world is just here in reality. Not “unobtanium” Canon virtual talk. For me my plan is to gather Sony glass or emount 24mm f1.4, GM16-35 f2.8, 85f1.8, GM70-200 and I will be able to cover almost everything I need in those focal lengths.

Down the road I will consider the EOS R.

For professional gigs demanding solid performance, lenses to deliver and dual cards.... wait as canon failed to deliver those features on purpose or due to infancy.... for now.

Sony is not for everybody. We can say the same for the EOS R. We all have methodical reasons in selecting gear....

My case will be different than others. I just jumped on the Sony world and now I like it for my purposes. EOS R just isn’t there yet for me.....

If I am shooting for hire it’s Canon mirrored. I have zero excitement in buying a first gen canon FF mirrorless especially to supplement serious sessions. I’ll take a predictable Sony system and incorporate that any day as I bridge two worlds together. However logically it should be 1 brand system for a location for simplicity.

However I am also combating a bit of GAS.

I would like to forage through the mirrorless brush in my leisure, while I have no exact need to do so, so that later I can get more serious with it. My gear gets more used and older each day.

Maybe I should just go get a ZL1 and be done with it. Then no funds for gear...

AlanU wrote in post #18714900
It’s not a tough decision.......

Stick with your mirrored body and wait for the EOS R mk2 or mk3.

If it’s not serious nature you can throw some $$$$ at the EOS R mk1 and enjoy some mirrorless features with good performance.

We are just messed up in having High performance and rigid in compromise.

Im planning to gather glass for my Sony setup but man is this EOSR body making me think. However I’m thinking more about the EOS R mk2, 3 etc when Canon really gets real hardware on the shelves.

For now I have little excitement on the canon FF mirrorless. In due time.....

For an new adventure the Sony world is just here in reality. Not “unobtanium” Canon virtual talk. For me my plan is to gather Sony glass or emount 24mm f1.4, GM16-35 f2.8, 85f1.8, GM70-200 and I will be able to cover almost everything I need in those focal lengths.

Down the road I will consider the EOS R.

For professional gigs demanding solid performance, lenses to deliver and dual cards.... wait as canon failed to deliver those features on purpose or due to infancy.... for now.

Sony is not for everybody. We can say the same for the EOS R. We all have methodical reasons in selecting gear....

My case will be different than others. I just jumped on the Sony world and now I like it for my purposes. EOS R just isn’t there yet for me.....

If I am shooting for hire it’s Canon mirrored. I have zero excitement in buying a first gen canon FF mirrorless especially to supplement serious sessions. I’ll take a predictable Sony system and incorporate that any day as I bridge two worlds together. However logically it should be 1 brand system for a location for simplicity.

agree with a lot of this

I Will add an EOS-R when they come out with dual cards. This is a entry camera aimed at the 6D market. Its been stated many times. So its No Where near what the A7iii or the A9 is for professional use.

Some of the mirrorless functions and capabilities gives pros like me more tools to do what I do

Low light performance is a biggie for wedding photographers. This thing has -5 EV..thats really big. If it can track and do a better job than a mirrored camera in the dark..thats an advantage to this technology

It may be able to do some things as well, better, not as good.....who knows for sure

Its all going to break down to 5 things and I say this with every update that any MFG comes out with

1-ISO capabilities snd sensor performance
2- AF performance and ability to work well with moving objects in good light and low ambient light
3-Does it work with existing glass in my kits
4-will new cameras work with OCF systems on the markets and Flash systems from the MFG
5- camera must have dual cards


appears to me that the EOS-R will do all of this and then some with the adapter performance getting answered and dual cards are added

Its another tool for the bag. I have great great cameras. But I would add an EOS-R if it meets the above demands. If its going to give me more tools, then I am all for it.

Another benefit that has not been discussed and may or may not come to be

1- build and weather seal
2- Durability- definitely wont have to worry about shutter replacement. Thats a huge advantage

Low light -5 or -6 is only for super fast primes though like the 50 1.2. Supposedly that isn't there for all lenses... It will likely be about the same as the 5D4. Both low light AF and high ISO will probably be fairly close.

But yes, your list is very close to mine, I would love fast eye AF that works while I am taking shots, and IBIS would be nice for a couple of primes I have, and then the ability to use other lenses not usable now (like FD glass, or other non-Canon mount lenses).

I recall reading somewhere that with a 2.8 lens it's -3 EV.... trying to remember where...

rogue.guineapig wrote in post #18714974
I recall reading somewhere that with a 2.8 lens it's -3 EV.... trying to remember where...

I think I heard and read -6 EV with the new 50R

If that is indeed true

then Its a no brainer for a wedding photographer to invest into a dual card EOS-R body and the 50R

That means you can track in the dark and that opens up avenues of creative freedom. A clean sensor at 25K, -6 EV and the world is your oyster. Unlimited possibilities.

And we are almost there now with what we have. The 1Dx2 is a beast in the dark. Speedlights in ETTL in Minus settings or video lights kills it at receptions

so yeah advantages with these features

Yes, I am also very happy with the 5D4 focusing in the dark and high ISO.

I could barely see the band director in real life, but the 5D4 locked right on. I tried exposing for the moon, but it didn't work as I had planned. The school's parkiing lot lights came one shortly after practice ended and we started our trek to the field.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18712959
Careful, if we start bandying about the "pro" word, this thread will soon jump the shark

that man's got nice legs

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18712954
Jeez were you drunk when you typed this, or just using one of my old keyboards?

old keyboards lasts longer than the keyboards made today :P goes with a lot of things.. actually...

AlanU wrote in post #18714900
It’s not a tough decision.......

Stick with your mirrored body and wait for the EOS R mk2 or mk3.

If it’s not serious nature you can throw some $$$$ at the EOS R mk1 and enjoy some mirrorless features with good performance.

We are just messed up in having High performance and rigid in compromise.

Im planning to gather glass for my Sony setup but man is this EOSR body making me think. However I’m thinking more about the EOS R mk2, 3 etc when Canon really gets real hardware on the shelves.

Obviously the Sony cameras are good. I never owned any Sony glass, but if the Sony glass is "full on" great as someone posted in this thread or a related one about the EOS R lately, what would the draw back to Canon be if Sony already has everything?

My main reason for EOS R / Canon is I own Canon glass and Canon cameras work fine. But I'm still curious why folks would switch back to Canon from Sony. Unless maybe they want to own both.