High ISO shooting

Hello,
I am currently shooting with a 1ds mk2 for landscapes and abstracts. This was the first digital camera I ever owned. The reason I bought this used camera was because it was as close to the EOS 3's that I could find at the time. What I am wondering is which full frame would offer a cleaner high ISO than what I am using? I must say though I do like the 1ds and am not sorry I bought it. Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted, thank you.

Tim

So I'm curious what you would need high ISO for? You shouldn't for landscapes. Abstracts is too vague, but are these not able to be taken on a tripod?

'clean' high ISO is relative. Some would say that the Canon 5D Mark IV is the first FF from Canon that approaches what Sony achieved with its sensor, and 5DIII falls short. But have a look at the reviews by dpreview.com and look at the section in the test reports about noise...you can see how noisy each is in comparison to other cameras, at the same ISO test

https://www.dpreview.c​om …categoryId=came​ras&page=1

But if you simply compare 5DIV vs. 5DIII vs. 5D at ISO 6400, you will see not much difference! so what gives? Well, it seems that one can 'push' the newer cameras with less resultant noise...in low light in the shadow areas, you can lift exposures by +5EV for more visible detail and not add so much visible noise in the image.

It is the ability to shoot without a tripod which is of interest to me. When I say landscapes, I mean intimate landscapes as opposed to the Grand Landscape. In 2 months I will be 72, the less gear I have to carry the better it is. The best camera I Own is the EOS 3 which I love. It was only the convenience of digital that caused me to change. I find it confusing to discern the differences between models that may or may not make much difference. With analog it essentially came down to selecting the appropriate film.

Tim

Thank you Wilt for your reply. You touched on part of what I find confusing in trying to discern any major differences between models. I don't need the latest flavour to be satisfied if my current camera satisfies my needs.
To reduce my need for a tripod or gear weight, I thought perhaps a camera with good high ISO performance might help in that regard. On the other hand maybe there is no Santa Claus....lol.

Tim

Hmm...so I typically shoot ISO 100 for landscape if at all possible. Sometimes my exposures are 2-5".

So to get that to handheld off tripod speed of 1/100, it would require ISO 20,000-51,200, which I am not sure anything would look good at.

And this is figuring a wider angle lens.

I don't know what exactly you shoot or how you currently shoot it, but to me that ISO is too much. Maybe you don't do sunrise/sunset and have more light?

1. 100
   
2. 200
   
3. 400
   
4. 800
   
5. 1600
   
6. 3200
   
7. 6400
   
8. 12800
   
9. 25600
   
10. 51200
    

I would not bother with 5D2. 6D, 6D2, 5D3, 5D4 will all offer a big advantage for higher ISO.
Santa Clause exists. A used 6D is cheap, light and offers a big improvement regards high ISO performance. It has a simple AF system, but it's centrepoint is much more sensitive then any of the 1DS2 points. I currently have a 1DS2 and newer bodies. I rate the 1DS2 as really good at ISO 100. At ISO 400 it's OK but exposure has to be really good and very little shadow lifting is possible without bad noise.
I have not owned a 6D but I believe ISO 1600 would be better than 1DS2 ISO400.

Choderboy wrote in post #18707621
I would not bother with 5D2. 6D, 6D2, 5D3, 5D4 will all offer a big advantage for higher ISO.
Santa Clause exists. A used 6D is cheap, light and offers a big improvement regards high ISO performance. It has a simple AF system, but it's centrepoint is much more sensitive then any of the 1DS2 points. I currently have a 1DS2 and newer bodies. I rate the 1DS2 as really good at ISO 100. At ISO 400 it's OK but exposure has to be really good and very little shadow lifting is possible without bad noise.
I have not owned a 6D but I believe ISO 1600 would be better than 1DS2 ISO400.

I would add the 1D4 to that list despite it being a 1.3 crop (which is pretty useful).

I agree, the 5D2 is meh (a better version of the 5D with video), but the 5D3, 5D4, 6D, 6D2 are all good candidates with better noise performance outside the 1DX series. The 5D4 is the only one in this list with the newer higher DR sensor (ie. shadows can be pulled up much better with less random "electronic noise").

Tim, are you aware of the new Canon R camrea that was just announced and will be shipping soon? It has the 5DIV sensor in a smaller ale lighter package.

A used 6D would be a nice model for a better price.

Thank you everyone for your help and suggestions. It is very much appreciated and certainly needed.

Tim

raven4ns wrote in post #18708575
Thank you everyone for your help and suggestions. It is very much appreciated and certainly needed.

Tim

So .....
What are your thoughts thus far about the various bodies that have been recommended in this thread?
Which bodies are you leaning toward?
Which bodies are you interested in researching?
I would be interested in periodically updates as you work toward selecting and purchasing a body, and also interested in how it works for you once you start using it.

At the moment I am still trying to decide if I need a higher ISO camera or not. Even with a higher ISO camera I will still need a tripod to capture some of the shots. It comes down to spending between $500 to $1500 for another camera as opposed to carrying a tripod. When I think of it in those terms it doesn't seem like it's such a great idea. I really enjoy the 1ds mkii, the feel, the build, it's a fine camera and I would not sell it.
For now, I will continue to ponder this question until I come to a firm decision. Thank you again everyone for your help.