Film Simulation Applied to Raw and JPEG?

I was under the impression that if you select one of the Fuji film simulations in the settings that the simulation is only applied to JPEG files and not RAW. I've been shooting RAW+JPEG a little and have it on the Classic Chrome simulation and it appears that both RAW and JPEG are pretty much identical. Am I missing something?

Nope. The film sims are only applied to make a jpeg. Are you looking at the camera or in an app to see the images?

There are ways to mimic the film sims in post and apply that to the RAWs... What are you editing in?

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18718446
Nope. The film sims are only applied to make a jpeg. Are you looking at the camera or in an app to see the images?

SuperSirLink wrote in post #18720179
There are ways to mimic the film sims in post and apply that to the RAWs... What are you editing in?

Sorry, been away on vacation and wasn't able to respond.

I'm uploading the photos (both jpeg and RAW) in Lightroom and just bouncing back and forth. They look virtually indistinguishable to the naked eye to me.

Once again, "IT DEPENDS!"

Pertaining to your Fuji in-camera simulations, the other reply addresses it. But that is not the only workflow to get to the same place. You can apply software to files transferred to your PC.

Some simulations work on JPG, others work on RAW.

Going to the website for Fuji, the information about X100F says: "JPEG (Exif Ver.2.3)*2, RAW : 14bit RAW(RAF original format), RAW+JPEG"
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Regarding one Fuji-provided tool, an article on the web states...

"One of the disadvantages however of shooting RAW files (apart from the larger file size) is that the superb film simulations that Fuji provide, including the fabulous ‘classic chrome’ are lost, in that they are not applied to RAW files. This is because the very nature of RAW files, is that they are in essence, the equivalent of a digital negative.

The good news is that [COLOR="DarkGreen"]if you own a copy of Lightroom 5, 6 or CC], these film simulations can be applied in post production to a RAW file[/COLOR! That is if you know where to look and find them. I say this because it’s not immediately obvious."

...and goes on to explain how.

deronsizemore wrote in post #18724731
Sorry, been away on vacation and wasn't able to respond.

I'm uploading the photos (both jpeg and RAW) in Lightroom and just bouncing back and forth. They look virtually indistinguishable to the naked eye to me.

The JPEGs will have a look as the back of the camera with whatever film profile you have set in the camera. The raws in Lightroom will not have those settings, Lightroom might be showing you a preview though that should click off. Try setting your camera to B&W and do the same import to see.

Might be wrong, but I think if you have smart previews it shows the jpeg or Adobe interpretation... Could explain why they look alike...

I always generate 1:1 previews on import, then use the plug in the match the film sims to what was used in camera...

I had an issue a while ago when using photoshop with Fuji raw files. They would always be in B&W. Turns out ACR somehow didn’t have the Adobe standard profile installed so ACR was defaulting to the next one available: Acros.

Check the profile although I doubt that it.

deronsizemore wrote in post #18718353
I've been shooting RAW+JPEG a little and have it on the Classic Chrome simulation and it appears that both RAW and JPEG are pretty much identical. Am I missing something?

When you shoot RAW the camera creates a JPG preview file using whichever JPG settings (EG film simulation) you have selected and embeds it in the RAW file. This preview which is what you see on the camera LCD screen when you view the image.

When you import the RAW into Lightroom there are several options for how it handles previews. Either it can create new ones (using the default Lightroom develop settings) or, if you have Embedded & Sidecar selected in the Import dialogue LR will display the JPG preview that the camera embedded into the RAW data. It will continue to use this until you select to Develop the RAW, at which point a new preview will be created that uses the default LR develop settings.

Conclusion
When you compare the RAW and JPG you are actually seeing two JPGs created with the same settings - hence they look the same. You will only see the LR version if you opt to Develop the image or if you have “Replace embedded previews with standard previews during idle time” selected in the preferences (and the comp has been idle long enough to create new previews).

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18747027
When you shoot RAW the camera creates a JPG preview file using whichever JPG settings (IE file simulation) you have selected and embeds it in the RAW file. This preview which is what you see on the camera LCD screen when you view the image.

When you import the RAW into Lightroom there are several options for how it handles previews. Either it can create new ones (using the default Lightroom develop settings) or, if you have Embedded & Sidecar selected in the Import dialogue LR will display the JPG preview that the camera embedded into the RAW data. It will continue to use this until you select to Develop the RAW, at which point a new preview will be created that uses the default LR develop settings.

Conclusion
When you compare the RAW and JPG you are actually seeing two JPGs created with the same settings - hence they look the same. You will only see the LR version if you opt to Develop the image or if you have “Replace embedded previews with standard previews during idle time” selected in the preferences (and the comp has been idle long enough to create new previews).

Ah, makes sense. Thanks!