Opinion on Merging with G-Series

I guess I wasn't clear but 5 days to enter, 1 day to judge and 1 day to get a new challenge up. That equals one week.

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• New Topic ... As soon as possible after winning.
  
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• Posting Stops ... Monday noon GMT
  
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Waiting for input on the new sticky. You can probably tell i cut out a bunch of the old information that doesn't really apply anymore including Canon Models and posting the winners in the top thread.

Maureen Souza wrote in post #18731879
I guess I wasn't clear but 5 days to enter, 1 day to judge and 1 day to get a new challenge up. That equals one week.

Whew! Thanks for clarifying.

In the section on hosting, the title still says SPEED challenge although "Speed" was removed from the main title. It isn't a speed challenge in the sense of requiring new photos taken the very same week.

Thanks, Maureen, it all looks good to me.

Maybe say that smartphones are OK, too, just to encourage more entries?

Fixed it

Added it in, Teekay

Maureen Souza wrote in post #18731950
Added it in, Teekay

Do any cellphones that aren't smartphones also have cameras?
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Typos in the early part:

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OhLook wrote in post #18731868
Then the challenge would start on a different day each week? Maureen, I don't want to be troublesome, but the predictability of "always on Mondays" or "always on Thursdays," for example, I think is valuable. And allowing more time to go shoot or to search one's archives would make it easier to enter.

The current challenges have schedules that keep both weekend days open for finding photos. This is a good feature that will be lost if the schedule rotates through 6-day periods. Sometimes only one weekend day will be available.

I agree strongly. Please keep it it weekly and the same day each week.

Please keep it simple for the host too.

And, please keep the start of page short & simple without too man font and colour changes. Here uis one that I like: Digital Speed Challenge #522 - Shoot from the Hip (Note that I have removed a lot of upper case letters in the title. Words in capital letters suggest that the author is shouting

Maureen Souza wrote in post #18731888
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Remember, if you post a photo, you may be the winner. Be prepared to host and judge a new challenge.

To submit, click the button labeled 'POST TO THREAD' and put your Photo Title in the first line of the post, above your photo.
Don't forget your Camera Model.

Post until Monday noon GMT, Day Month Year.

Photo Submissions

1. Camera --All Fixed Lens Cameras, all brands, makes & models. Cell phones are also included.
   
2. Time -- any on-topic photo taken at any time is eligible, although photos that have won other competitions should NOT be entered.
   -
   
3. Size -- photo must be no less than 800 pixels and no more than 1600 pixels on the longest side, with NO BORDERS.
   -
   
4. Post-Processing -- do whatever you like and the host will decide if it works.
   -
   
5. Posting --
   
   • One photo per photographer in each challenge.
     
   • Photo Title in the first line of the post.
     
   • Camera model.
     
   • EXIF data, if you like.
     
   
   
6. Commenting -- No commenting on photos by anyone, including the photographer. Once the winners are declared, photographers can add comments to their images and everyone is invited to discuss. The host may also post a photo after the winners are announced.
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7. Photo Display -- Photos must appear in this thread to be eligible.
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Time

One challenge every week, on the following schedule:

• New Topic ... As soon as possible after winning.
  
• Posting Starts ... Right after topic is announced.
  
• Posting Stops ... Monday noon GMT
  
• Winners Announcement ... As soon as possible, max. until Tuesday noon GMT.

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Pay attention to your PMs or 'Heads Up!' messages. This will allow the host, helpful members or moderators to contact you about winning or ineligible photos.
Thank you.
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Information below is for reference and should NOT be included with each new challenge thread.
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Hosting

1. The Challenge Host is the winner of the last challenge.

2. Choose a topic and list any special rules -- but DO NOT POST a photo until the winners are announced..

3. Post the topic in a thread with this title: Fixed Lens Challenge #xxx - Subject

4. At the end of competition, choose a Winner and two Runners-up -- No Ties, please. Comments on the photos are nice but not required.

5. Winner starts with Rule #1 above.

6. If the winner can't be contacted and doesn't respond by Wednesday noon GMT, the second-place winner will host the challenge. Etcetera.

Too many changes of font and colout which make it tricky to edit each week. I also think it is too long. Please compare with "Digital Speed Challenge #522 - Shoot from the Hip " that I posted earlier.

I have in mind a number of minor changes in punctuation and so forth (this is my field). It'd be much smoother to make them on a copy than to list them.

One thing not decided is who's to host #1, the winner of this week's G or the winner of this week's Small Compacts?

Stiga wrote in post #18732022
Too many changes of font and colout which make it tricky to edit each week. I also think it is too long. Please compare with "Digital Speed Challenge #522 - Shoot from the Hip " that I posted earlier.

The color and large type emphasize important points that would be easily missed. What if boldface replaced some of the color? The bbcode for bold is shorter than the codes for color and size. I suppose you're talking about the difficulty of finding where to type your new material (topic and dates) in between the codes.

For people who have trouble reading small type, the whole first section could be large and the standard rules, the part that doesn't change, regular size, so just one pair of size codes.

Another way the winner can proceed is to start by copying a previous Post #1 as a template and make the needed changes. I think this is adequate if there aren't any links.

OhLook wrote in post #18732178
I have in mind a number of minor changes in punctuation and so forth (this is my field). It'd be much smoother to make them on a copy than to list them.

One thing not decided is who's to host #1, the winner of this week's G or the winner of this week's Small Compacts?

The color and large type emphasize important points that would be easily missed. What if boldface replaced some of the color? The bbcode for bold is shorter than the codes for color and size. I suppose you're talking about the difficulty of finding where to type your new material (topic and dates) in between the codes.

For people who have trouble reading small type, the whole first section could be large and the standard rules, the part that doesn't change, regular size, so just one pair of size codes.

Another way the winner can proceed is to start by copying a previous Post #1 as a template and make the needed changes. I think this is adequate if there aren't any links.

Due to failing sight I get lost among BBcode and usually get a warning about unbalanced tags

Would people mind if I use plain text? (If I ever become a host for the weekCopy and past is easy.

e.g.

Fixed Lens Photo Challenge #??? - Subject
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Description of this week’s topic:
Write your description here. Use as many lines as you need.
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Remember, if you post a photo, you may be the winner. Be prepared to host and judge a new challenge.

To submit, click the button labeled 'POST TO THREAD' and put your Photo Title in the first line of the post, above your photo.
Don't forget your Camera Model.

Post until Monday noon GMT, Day Month Year.

Photo Submissions

Camera --All Fixed Lens Cameras, all brands, makes & models. Cell phones are also included.
Time -- any on-topic photo taken at any time is eligible, although photos that have won other competitions should NOT be entered.
-
Size -- photo must be no less than 800 pixels and no more than 1600 pixels on the longest side, with NO BORDERS.
-
Post-Processing -- do whatever you like and the host will decide if it works.
-
Posting --
One photo per photographer in each challenge.
Photo Title in the first line of the post.
Camera model.
EXIF data, if you like.

Commenting -- No commenting on photos by anyone, including the photographer. Once the winners are declared, photographers can add comments to their images and everyone is invited to discuss. The host may also post a photo after the winners are announced.
-
Photo Display -- Photos must appear in this thread to be eligible.
-

Time

One challenge every week, on the following schedule:

New Topic ... As soon as possible after winning.
Posting Starts ... Right after topic is announced.
Posting Stops ... Monday noon GMT
Winners Announcement ... As soon as possible, max. until Tuesday noon GMT.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pay attention to your PMs or 'Heads Up!' messages. This will allow the host, helpful members or moderators to contact you about winning or ineligible photos.
Thank you.
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Information below is for reference and should NOT be included with each new challenge thread.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hosting

1. The Challenge Host is the winner of the last challenge.

2. Choose a topic and list any special rules -- but DO NOT POST a photo until the winners are announced..

3. Post the topic in a thread with this title: Fixed Lens Challenge #xxx - Subject

4. At the end of competition, choose a Winner and two Runners-up -- No Ties, please. Comments on the photos are nice but not required.

5. Winner starts with Rule #1 above.

6. If the winner can't be contacted and doesn't respond by Wednesday noon GMT, the second-place winner will host the challenge. Etcetera.

Maureen Souza wrote in post #18731563
What if not everyone votes...is that fair? I can foresee that if we get 15 people entering it could get to be a lot of work counting votes or making comments each week.

teekay wrote in post #18731721
It would be a quite a chore for the host if the new challenge was successful and there were a lot of entrants. And who gets to vote anyway? Just the entrants? Their friends and relatives as well? Everyone on POTN?

There are a few questions on the voting process scattered about in the discussion; I quoted some of those questions above. Here's the deal as I see it:

For the compact camera challenge, voting was open to anyone, not just the folks who entered photos. This gets a wider perspective. So the voting is open to any POTN member.

All of the folks who provided entries could of course vote but not everyone does (sometime we just get busy or even forget). It should be up to the individual to vote if they want to.

As for tallying the votes, it ain't that hard. For me, it is certainly easier to count up votes than it is to comment on photos. I think that providing meaningful commentary is a LOT more time consuming and take more effort.

I changed tge rules so commenting on each entry is not required. I would like to keep the voting restricted to the participants because that could get out of hand if we allowed anyone & everyone to comment.

Stiga, I multi-quoted the Sticky which is why the colors & fonts are present. It doesnt have to stay that way but I actually love the red, blue & bold type. Maybe because I have been using it for 15 years. Looking at the the all black type makes the flow more difficult & the important information to stand out. Maybe we could compromise & make those colored areas bold or underlined.....

Bottom line is that we will all never agree on everything & we all need to compromise a bit. As we get rolling along we will all adjust.

OhLook, i think we could have co-hosts to open the competition. The winner of the G-Series & the winner of Small Compact should come up with the first Challenge & they can delegate the hosting duty to one or share it. From there, it will only be one winner a week.

Maureen Souza wrote in post #18732219
I changed tge rules so commenting on each entry is not required. I would like to keep the voting restricted to the participants because that could get out of hand if we allowed anyone & everyone to comment.

Yes, not requiring comments ought to tip the scale toward entering, for people who hesitate because winning would give them a big chore they don't want.

Letting all vote has worked out well in Small Compacts, especially when there are few entries–but it isn't relevant if the host chooses winners.

As far as I'm concerned, sizes and colors are up to the hosts. In the G comp, they've done various things with those anyway. Some copied a previous post without the codes.

I guess that's the only fair way unless the two winners agree that one of them will step back. They also have to agree on which one it is.