-= Canon EOS R owners unite! Post photos and discuss.

Here are my thoughts from a non-professional enthusiast. I've been shooting with a 7D II for about 4 years now and coveted the 5D IV ever since it was released. I thought it was going to be my next body until I tried an EOS R in a store a few months ago which opened my eyes. I realized that it is a very different camera that while seemingly inferior on paper, actually suited me better than the 5D IV. So I ended up buying an EOS R last month instead of a 5D IV. Take the following perspective with the appropriate grain of salt: I'm a long time 7D II user, new to full frame, and have never owned a 5D IV, although I have used one before. I primarily shoot landscapes, some macro, and some wildlife. A lot of my photography happens many miles from the nearest road, so I spend a lot of time carrying my camera and associated gear on my back.

Pros list for 5D IV:

7 fps (EOS R can do 8 fps without AF Servo, which is great, but 5 fps with AF Servo is less than I'd have liked)
Better AF Servo performance for fast, erratic moving subjects
Better weather sealing
Slightly better noise performance (But this is extremely subtle, far less than the difference between the 5D IV and the 1DX II, for example. A complete non-issue for me.)
Dual card slots (would be nice to have, but not an issue for me)
Traditional Canon aperture adjustment wheel around set button (I much prefer this location to the EOS R's top mounted dial)
Better battery life (Although I get well over 600 shots on a battery with my EOS R, so this isn't an issue for me. If you were shooting in continuous it would be even more.)


Pros list for EOS R:

Access to new (and excellent) RF lenses (and EF lenses with an adapter)
Smaller and lighter lenses on the horizon (see the announced RF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)
Real time exposure preview through the EVF
Excellent focus accuracy (no AF adjustments for each lens to compensate for the separate phase detect system in DSLRs)
Excellent low light AF
AF points cover nearly the entire frame
Autofocus at apertures smaller than f/8
Eye tracking autofocus
Touch screen AF point control (I was surprised to find this faster than the joystick I'm used to, but will be very annoying when shooting deep into winter)
Smaller and lighter (big deal for me)
More comfortable grip (especially with the L-bracket I chose)
Tilty-flippy screen
In body battery charging (although I don't expect to use it)
Able to shoot video through the EVF
Faster write speeds to cards (see cameramemoryspeed.com)


I look at this set of differentiating features and see that the EOS R is a better camera for me. You may feel differently, but that's your prerogative. You are not being forced to buy it. Some of you might want to wait for the upcoming pro level mirrorless Canon, but some may find that this camera will do what they need. (I love the idea of a higher resolution full frame body, built more robustly with better weather sealing, and with in-body-image-stabilization, but I knew that it would be well beyond my budget, so I have no regrets jumping in with the EOS R.)

SereneSpeed wrote in post #18840867
I don’t know.

But I did not like the mF-n bar, thumb wheel, or touch and drag AF, for at least two weeks when I started using the R.

I now prefer them over other controls I used to like, on my other cameras.

Well, that's good to know, because those drove me batty in the week or so I was playing with mine.

SereneSpeed wrote in post #18840275
The 5D4 and EOS R image qualities are nearly equal in low light performance. Good luck telling them apart without (ridiculous) pixel peeping.

But the EOS R will focus in the dark. THE DARK.

There is no quality to an OOF image...

I'll give the win to the EOS R.

But hey, bring on the hate. This thread wouldn't be the same without NON-owners uniting in their negativity...

"There is no quality to an OOF image."
I'm going to use this!!! So many times I see an out of focus image and shake my head wondering why people are posting "great image".

https://canoncanada.cu​sthelp.com …-r-firmware-version-1.2.0

Firmware announcement, for those who may have missed it.

CallumRD1 wrote in post #18840870
Here are my thoughts from a non-professional enthusiast. I've been shooting with a 7D II for about 4 years now and coveted the 5D IV ever since it was released. I thought it was going to be my next body until I tried an EOS R in a store a few months ago which opened my eyes. I realized that it is a very different camera that while seemingly inferior on paper, actually suited me better than the 5D IV. So I ended up buying an EOS R last month instead of a 5D IV. Take the following perspective with the appropriate grain of salt: I'm a long time 7D II user, new to full frame, and have never owned a 5D IV, although I have used one before. I primarily shoot landscapes, some macro, and some wildlife. A lot of my photography happens many miles from the nearest road, so I spend a lot of time carrying my camera and associated gear on my back.

Pros list for 5D IV:

7 fps (EOS R can do 8 fps without AF Servo, which is great, but 5 fps with AF Servo is less than I'd have liked)
Better AF Servo performance for fast, erratic moving subjects
Better weather sealing
Slightly better noise performance (But this is extremely subtle, far less than the difference between the 5D IV and the 1DX II, for example. A complete non-issue for me.)
Dual card slots (would be nice to have, but not an issue for me)
Traditional Canon aperture adjustment wheel around set button (I much prefer this location to the EOS R's top mounted dial)
Better battery life (Although I get well over 600 shots on a battery with my EOS R, so this isn't an issue for me. If you were shooting in continuous it would be even more.)


Pros list for EOS R:

Access to new (and excellent) RF lenses (and EF lenses with an adapter)
Smaller and lighter lenses on the horizon (see the announced RF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS)
Real time exposure preview through the EVF
Excellent focus accuracy (no AF adjustments for each lens to compensate for the separate phase detect system in DSLRs)
Excellent low light AF
AF points cover nearly the entire frame
Autofocus at apertures smaller than f/8
Eye tracking autofocus
Touch screen AF point control (I was surprised to find this faster than the joystick I'm used to, but will be very annoying when shooting deep into winter)
Smaller and lighter (big deal for me)
More comfortable grip (especially with the L-bracket I chose)
Tilty-flippy screen
In body battery charging (although I don't expect to use it)
Able to shoot video through the EVF
Faster write speeds to cards (see cameramemoryspeed.com)


I look at this set of differentiating features and see that the EOS R is a better camera for me. You may feel differently, but that's your prerogative. You are not being forced to buy it. Some of you might want to wait for the upcoming pro level mirrorless Canon, but some may find that this camera will do what they need. (I love the idea of a higher resolution full frame body, built more robustly with better weather sealing, and with in-body-image-stabilization, but I knew that it would be well beyond my budget, so I have no regrets jumping in with the EOS R.)

You obviously have not used or seen a Sony Eye focus system. The fact that canon say the EOS R has one is really laughable at this point

Also excellent low light AF....compared to a 5D4.....Doubt it. 5D4 is pretty good. I would have to test side by side to know for sure. I think the Jury is out on that

umphotography wrote in post #18840897
You obviously have not used or seen a Sony Eye focus system. The fact that canon say the EOS R has one is really laughable at this point

Also excellent low light AF....compared to a 5D4.....Doubt it. 5D4 is pretty good. I would have to test side by side to know for sure. I think the Jury is out on that

I have never used Sony's eye AF, so I can't compare.

As to the low light AF, it is truly incredible what the EOS R will focus on. Right now, I just tested it and was able to focus on a dark scene with an exposure of 1 second at f/4 and ISO 25,600 with a native f/4 lens. It struggled a bit, but I've never used a DSLR that could do that. With a fast prime, it's even more astonishing how little light it needs to autofocus.

CallumRD1 wrote in post #18840899
I have never used Sony's eye AF, so I can't compare.

As to the low light AF, it is truly incredible what the EOS R will focus on. Right now, I just tested it and was able to focus on a dark scene with an exposure of 1 second at f/4 and ISO 25,600 with a native f/4 lens. It struggled a bit, but I've never used a DSLR that could do that. With a fast prime, it's even more astonishing how little light it needs to autofocus.

PU a 5D4 or a 1Dx2 and compare...all day long for both bodies.....and they will do it with a subject that is on the move. I shoot lots of sparkler exits at 10000 no flash assist... both cameras will hit it....1Dx2 does it the best

I just seen a video on it.. pretty cool stuff, i am hoping the servo eye AF is good

Those are pretty different exposures... Even just based on the ISO value but I'm guessing (hoping lol) you're not shooting exits at two seconds?

And now for something completely different, PICTURES!

Been spending a lot of time with my MFT gear lately, decided to give the R some attention

LoneRider wrote in post #18840966
And now for something completely different, PICTURES!

Been spending a lot of time with my MFT gear lately, decided to give the R some attention

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Thanks for the pictures, I'm tired of reading.

For people who travel with theirs, what bags do you use? I'd be wanting a padded messenger bag (or an padded insert that could be put in a messenger bag) that would fit the R with at least the 24-105.

I recently broke my lee little stopper and instead of replacing it I am considering buying the EOS R adapter with the drop in ND filter as the R will be my main body for landscapes. I think that I read somewhere that the mount needs to have a filter in position to focus properly which would also mean buying a clear drop in filter. Does anyone know if this is correct? Does anyone use this adapter? I like the idea as it allows an ND filter to be used with ultra wide lenses. Any comments would be appreciated.

umphotography wrote in post #18840928
PU a 5D4 or a 1Dx2 and compare...all day long for both bodies.....and they will do it with a subject that is on the move. I shoot lots of sparkler exits at 10000 no flash assist... both cameras will hit it....1Dx2 does it the best

If I assume the same aperture and you’re shooting such shots at 1/120 of a second exposure, then my scenario is a full 8 1/3 stops less light than yours. This camera is literally seeing in the dark. I couldn’t see much with my naked eye for composition, but the EVF allowed me to see the scene well.

Fordsabroad wrote in post #18841059
I recently broke my lee little stopper and instead of replacing it I am considering buying the EOS R adapter with the drop in ND filter as the R will be my main body for landscapes. I think that I read somewhere that the mount needs to have a filter in position to focus properly which would also mean buying a clear drop in filter. Does anyone know if this is correct? Does anyone use this adapter? I like the idea as it allows an ND filter to be used with ultra wide lenses. Any comments would be appreciated.

How could it possibly need clear glass if the EF lens itself is not designed for light bundles going through any glass at that location at all? It is the filter use that will make things work outside design parameters; not the lack of clear glass. With drop-ins in the big whites, the situation might be different because the lens is designed around the clear glass.