-= Canon EOS R owners unite! Post photos and discuss.

mdvaden wrote in post #18763220
That's one of the more rambling videos I've ever seen. He swings like a pendulum like "I am not qualified" to "its a fine camera" to I didn't do any "lab tests" .... back and forth. That's barely a review, and not quite a rant. I'm a landscape photographer too, but the examples below I find much more ample to convey various points to think about. Notice how the guy you posted covers very little information. Lots of talking, but not much info. And if he want's high resolution, the 5DSR has more than most people need already. So much in fact, the other brands haven't touched it yet and Canon only stuck that much in the 5DS and 5DSR. It's so much, I'm almost hoping the 75 megapixels becomes no more than a rumor. Half the time I use my 5DS, I'm lowering the camera file size setting.

Dustin Abbott just posted a written review, he's always seemed to be one of the most thorough and even handed reviewers out there. Link below, plus part of his conclusion. That's a sentiment I've seen from a few youtube reviewers (plus a few people in this forum), that is, the camera grows on you as you use it.


https://dustinabbott.n​et/2018/12/canon-eos-r-review/


Like most new Canon cameras, the initial reaction for many is to be underwhelmed. It is sometimes easy to overlook the areas where Canon is quietly innovating (the sensor protecting “shield” and control ring on the RF lenses/adapter are genuinely useful innovations) because of the obvious areas where Canon is lagging (no IBIS, video quirks, lower frame rate, single card slot). Typically Canon cameras prove to be better cameras than their specs, however, and I do think that will be the case here.

aladyforty wrote in post #18763327
I thought he was honest, he was given the camera to try it out and it didn't suit his uses. Personally I think for landscape if you could afford the latest Fuji medium format would be the go, I've watched these other reviews, I think if you have the 5D4 this is like he says a sideways step.

It's almost half the price of the 5D4 when it was released, it certainly isn't an upgrade.

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Here's my hypothesis, directed at no one in particular, just musing here;

I speculate that Canon will fill out it's Mirror-less fleet (slowly) to "Mirror" it's DSLR line up.

Looking at the DSLR line up, it is clear to me that this first one is positioned to fill the spot as a mirror-less 6D2, or where the first 5D and 5D2 were in years past.

The 5D3 added nearly all the pro level bells and whistles that previously were only found in 1D bodies. This dramatic move put the 5D3 and 5D4 into a different category than the previous 5D models, and thus the need for the lower end 6D to fill the "entry level FF" hole previously occupied by 5D and 5D2.

The EOS R has the 5D4 sensor, so many seem to assume it is positioned in that category, but look at pricing.
This is not the Canon 5D4 mirror-less. It's got the 5D4 sensor, but its really filling role of the 6D. So why does it have the 5D4 sensor? Well if the 5D5 was released last month instead of the R, it could not still have a 3 year old sensor now could it?

No the EOS - R is absolutely being positioned as the 6D2 Mirror-less, but if it had the 6D2 sensor, there be rioting in the streets! So they reworked the 3 year old 5D4 sensor. I think Canon considered this very seriously, and part of the reason why we did not see the 5D4 sensor in the 6D2, was due to the road map of the upcoming EOS-R.

Anyway, it's all theory at best, but it's my point of view.

aladyforty wrote in post #18763330
I guess as he said the 5D4 can be picked up cheaper ...

In the US, the 5D4 is still over $3k?

EDIT, just saw a lot of holiday price reductions, down to $2,800.00 or so! Nice!

lijoec wrote in post #18763362
Yeah, 75 is overkill in my opinion. Let's just hope that is just part of a bad rumor.

IMHO that 75MP number is why we should always take anything from coming from Canon rumors as a bit of joke. Until they actually get info on a real release, just a few weeks before it launches officially, most of what they "report" is pie in the sky mumbo jumbo.

Sure MP counts will hit 75MP some day, but I will eat my hat of the next Canon interchangeable lens camera released is at 75MP.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18763488
In the US, the 5D4 is still over $3k?

on amazon , $2800 , or 2250 for "international" version
looks like you could probably get a US version for much less than $2800 on green toe

cpw has a "street" price of $2650


good time to get a 5d4, lots of great deals out there

aladyforty wrote in post #18763327
I thought he was honest, he was given the camera to try it out and it didn't suit his uses. Personally I think for landscape if you could afford the latest Fuji medium format would be the go, I've watched these other reviews, I think if you have the 5D4 this is like he says a sideways step.

His review may be honest, but we could rate his talk as spilling his mind and opinion vs. review. As for medium format, $5000 and a half dozen fairly expensive lenses would be quite a change compared to $2000 to $3000 bodies with a hundred lens options. But if someone can afford it, it's a lot less than an expensive 2nd sports car.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18763488
In the US, the 5D4 is still over $3k?

Even the refurbished model at the Canon store is $2700, so EOS R still cheaper on this side of the pond.

mdvaden wrote in post #18763508
His review may be honest, but we could rate his talk as spilling his mind and opinion vs. review. As for medium format, $5000 and a half dozen fairly expensive lenses would be quite a change compared to $2000 to $3000 bodies with a hundred lens options. But if someone can afford it, it's a lot less than an expensive 2nd sports car.

I am pretty sure the litmus test for price and value isn't the sports car, but rather other camera models and even other manufacturers' camera models and lens lineups.

We wouldn't even be able to agree on what an "expensive sports car" means.

Thank you

I'm about to pull the trigger, guys, but I have a question. Help me out.

I really don't want to pull the trigger on $3500 if I can help it. I have a bunch of EF and EF-S glass, so I'm going to get the control ring adapter anyway. I already have a 24-105L (granted, it's G1). Since there's no real discount motivation to buy the bundle, what am I really leaving on the table by saving that $1100?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18763574
I'm about to pull the trigger, guys, but I have a question. Help me out.

I really don't want to pull the trigger on $3500 if I can help it. I have a bunch of EF and EF-S glass, so I'm going to get the control ring adapter anyway. I already have a 24-105L (granted, it's G1). Since there's no real discount motivation to buy the bundle, what am I really leaving on the table by saving that $1100?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I would say your leaving a little sharpness and a hole lot of money if you shoot what you got.. I kinda wish I had gone that way.

I don't think any camera has seen so much controversy or been so misunderstood since the second week after the 7DII came out. And no buddy could shoot it...

I think the R is a love hate thing .... Everyone loves to hate it. And Im with Jake on this 75mb second camera.... it would prove to me I need to shoot something else..

Can you believe I don't have a single Deer around... have to settle for the little red dudes... coffee break shoot. Back to work....

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18763574
I'm about to pull the trigger, guys, but I have a question. Help me out.

I really don't want to pull the trigger on $3500 if I can help it. I have a bunch of EF and EF-S glass, so I'm going to get the control ring adapter anyway. I already have a 24-105L (granted, it's G1). Since there's no real discount motivation to buy the bundle, what am I really leaving on the table by saving that $1100?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I've taken a whole lot of what I consider pretty nice shots with that G1 lens on my 5D4. It was on it most of the time.
That said, when I buy an R body, I'll for sure be getting the new 24-105. I think it's rated as a definite upgrade from the first EF, if not the Gen2. Also, it will feel better on the R body, and has the control ring.
But that's just me...I would use that lens a lot, and don't have as much good glass as a lot of folks here. Don't know your situation.

a shame they're not offering a true "bundle" price.

Pondrader wrote in post #18763619
I would say your leaving a little sharpness and a hole lot of money if you shoot what you got.. I kinda wish I had gone that way.

I don't think any camera has seen so much controversy or been so misunderstood since the second week after the 7DII came out. And no buddy could shoot it...

I think the R is a love hate thing .... Everyone loves to hate it. And Im with Jake on this 75mb second camera.... it would prove to me I need to shoot something else..

Can you believe I don't have a single Deer around... have to settle for the little red dudes... coffee break shoot. Back to work....

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I'm assuming all these squirrel shots are awesome quality and showing really fine detail, and that the squirrels in Ontario aren't just really tame and 10 foot tall? I lived in Ontario for a few months, don't remember any giant squirrels? But I was surprised by how big a Racoon was when it jumped out of a bin at me, and a bull moose in Alberta did scare the **** out of me walking out of the trees into my clearing, so I know some stuff over there goes pretty big....

welshwizard1971 wrote in post #18763658
I'm assuming all these squirrel shots are awesome quality and showing really fine detail, and that the squirrels in Ontario aren't just really tame and 10 foot tall? I lived in Ontario for a few months, don't remember any giant squirrels? But I was surprised by how big a Racoon was when it jumped out of a bin at me, and a bull moose in Alberta did scare the **** out of me walking out of the trees into my clearing, so I know some stuff over there goes pretty big....

LMAO ... No they are normal size lol... I'm shooting the 100-400LII with the 1.4 III extender in junk light.. I should go shoot some Moose but I'm just to busy right now. But soon.

I don't know about sharp... They say ya can't shoot wildlife with it. Not enough to delete when ya get home I guess. He's just a random target with fur.. I promise to go shoot something else soon.

You be the judge about sharp... !!

Trout Bum wrote in post #18763631
I've taken a whole lot of what I consider pretty nice shots with that G1 lens on my 5D4. It was on it most of the time.
That said, when I buy an R body, I'll for sure be getting the new 24-105. I think it's rated as a definite upgrade from the first EF, if not the Gen2. Also, it will feel better on the R body, and has the control ring.
But that's just me...I would use that lens a lot, and don't have as much good glass as a lot of folks here. Don't know your situation.

a shame they're not offering a true "bundle" price.

I guess I should have expanded a little. I have a Mk 5D III, a 6D G1, and an 80D. Aside from possibly the 80D, I'm planning on throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Everything goes off the table and for sale once I get the R, at least that's the intention, with the possible exception of the 80D which I love, but I hope I don't have to keep it either. When I sell the others, which all have grips, by the way, I fully intend on buying a grip for the R and the 24-105R, because that will be my walk-around I suspect since it has always been my walk-around on the 6D and the Mk III.

I guess the real question I should have asked was did I need it immediately? I see the G1 24-05 being sold eventually and being replaced with the R version. No real question about that. It's just that with the bundle pricing, there's just not any motivation to invest the money OOP when I can make it finance itself in a few months. Hell, I actually save a $1US by buying them separately. WTH was or is Canon thinking???? I asked this question in another thread about the R coming and it was basically ignored. Weird, but I digress.

The other question becomes about the 80D. I'm going to have to take a big hit on it too. Should I keep it as a backup? I really don't need one. I'm not a professional. I've just accumulated what I've accumulated because I'm a gearhead. Do I even really need to keep a crop?