EOS R - "PRO" ... How Much $ $ $ ? ... and features

Recently I committed to getting the EOS R or EOS R Pro, with 75% likely the EOS R Pro.

Based of the price Canon released the EOS R, I'm curious how much other photographers think is realistic to set aside for an EOS R Pro. What features do you think are most likely to be included as a guess, and what are your expectation for price? Personally, I would prefer the same EOS R battery since I have many, but can deal with a change. I expect two card slots. I have no idea about IBIS, but would be fine either way whether it has it or not. I would want a body at least the size of the EOS R and no smaller.

hahaha damn it my EOS R is already obsolete

This poll is like a car dealership eavesdropping on people talking about how much they are willing to spend on some vehicle, and then later marking up the vehicle to match.

Perhaps the TS is a plant from Canon, based on past promotion of the eosr and now this post...

I think committed is a strong term give that the top spec r isn't even announced yet and you're clearly not interested the current r or you would have bought it already
I'll play tho. Single CFast slot, no IBIS, maybe 7fps in servo, integral grip with larger battery to annoy those with multiple lp-e6 batteries and prolly just shy of $4k. Speaking of which, most likely still a cropper for video.
Still won't do anything more than 1Dx2 can do other than pander to folks with small hands

How much do think the next released pro will cost ??

Just bend over and smile

It better have dual cards. IBIS would be a nice bonus.

I suspect it will be priced someplace BT the 1Dx2 and the 5D4

To be perfectly Honest, I would like to have one but I am not going to pay through the nose to get an R. The 1Dx2 and 5D4 work great. Some things I really like and that would be the new R lens. The 24-105 looks to be outstanding as does the 28-70 F/2. I could shoot 90% of an entire wedding with a 28-70 and 85mm lens. IBIS would really make the 135L have a new life and a clean sensor means a lighter 70-200F4 will make a wedding photographers bag much much lighter

Hopeful canon gets this out and its not ridiculous in price

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
I'm curious how much other photographers think is realistic to set aside for an EOS R Pro.

For me, it is only realistic to spend a maximum of $2400 on a camera body - but if I'm going to spend that much, it better have every damn thing I could possibly want! . I don't think that the expected pro model mirrorless will drop down in price far enough for about 5 years, so if I want one it will probably not be something that I will be able to afford until 2023 or thereabouts.

I really want a 5D4, but I think it is only worth around $1700, so I am still waiting for them to drop that low before I will be able to buy one. Hopefully that'll happen in a year or two.

I think that a 5D4 will be my next camera, and then this pro mirrorless will be the one that I get after that. . I like to upgrade about once every 5 years or so, so it should work out fairly well as an upgrade path.

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
What features do you think are most likely to be included as a guess?

What I think will be included:
. . - stupid face recognition / detect (instead of eye focus)
. . - improved wireless capabilities (for 'talking to' flashes, remotes, phones, etc)
. . - limited/crippled video capabilities (to protect cinema line)
. . - focus peaking seen in the viewfinder (not just on the big rear display)
. . - some type of RAW compression (instead of true uncompressed RAW files)
. . - no articulating screen
. . - bursts of +-16 FPS, with no limitations (even when focus tracking, shooting RAW, etc)

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
What are your expectation for price?

I think that your poll options have too finely divided gradations and don't cover nearly enough range:

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
Personally, I would prefer the same EOS R battery since I have many, but can deal with a change.

I would hope that the battery on a pro model FF mirrorless would be at least as good as the battery on my 1D mark 4. . On one battery I often go two full days of shooting outdoors in below-freezing temperatures, and shoot an average of 600 photos a day, with hours and hours of chimping and deleting and zooming in to images on the LCD playback for close scrutiny.

I never have to think about the battery when I am out shooting, and can just wait until nighttime to charge it, if necessary. . I don't put a spare battery in my pack or my pocket because it has never been necessary, even in very cold temperatures with lots and lots of shooting. . I used a friend's 1Dx2 for a while this past June, and it was much worse on battery life than my 1D4 and I thought, "Sheesh ..... what the hell?"

I certainly wouldn't want to accept anything that gives less performance than what I am used to, especially considering that my 1D4 is 8 years old ...... certainly a 2018 model can out-perform a 2010 model when it comes to battery life, regardless of what other changes have been made. . I mean, if modern technology can put a man on the moon or clone a sheep, then certainly they can make a pocket-sized camera battery last all day.

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
I expect two card slots.

I expect this, too. Of course it'll have two slots. . But two slots doesn't matter to me because I never use two cards. . Even though my 1D4 has two slots, I have never seen any reason to put more than one card in it. . If a card fails and I lose a day's worth of photos, so what? Wouldn't bother me that much.

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
I have no idea about IBIS, but would be fine either way whether it has it or not.

IBIS would be a primary requirement for me.

Why? . Because my main lens is the Sigma 300-800mm, which is unstabilized. . This will probably be my main lens for many years to come, because nobody makes anything similar, and if a new lens came out that was similar, I wouldn't be able to afford it for years and years.

It would be wonderful to have stabilization when using my 300-800mm zoom! . Such a feature would give me so many more keepers and my time afield would be so much more productive and I'd come home from photo trips with so many more great pics!

mdvaden wrote in post #18731217
I would want a body at least the size of the EOS R and no smaller.

I'm with you there - smaller bodies are difficult and uncomfortable to use. . The size of my 1D mark 4 is perfect - I'd prefer the new pro model to be that size, but realize that it won't be.

Going into the future, smaller lighter cameras is just an ugly fact that I am going to be forced to accept because that is what most people want.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18731567
Why did you make your poll options so narrow and limited?

Because my speculation or guess is that a Pro version mirrorless in the beginning stages should look satisfying to people who also do weddings. That it would need to be near on par with the 5D mk iv and slightly better. I'm also guessing Canon would want the first "PRO" version to be less specialized to a niche, and more general purpose. So I set the poll options up and down a little bit from the 5D mk iv. One hundred dollar increments is too many poll options. The last option is unlimited, but I would be surprised if the EOS R Pro is over $3700

It seems logical that Canon would want the first Pro mirrorless FF to be a camera that a good hoard of photographers would call a reliable workhorse that has advantages and possibilities beyond the 5D mk iv

bildeb0rg wrote in post #18731353
I think committed is a strong term give that the top spec r isn't even announced yet and you're clearly not interested the current r or you would have bought it already

I did not have the cash for one until yesterday, and I don't actually need one for a few months. I sold my 5D mk iii and kept my Canon 5DS. I can do some pretty good photos with my Canon M5, so it's a backup for a few weeks or months. I was pondering getting the EOS R to replace my M5, then getting and EOS R Pro also. But my M5 is the one I take hiking, and the very small size makes it worthwhile to hang onto.

Between my camera sale and work the past few weeks, I have ample to buy the EOS R and one more lens. But I'm also curious which new lenses Canon may release in the near future. My curiousity resides around a new 135mm in either EF or RF, and 70-200mm in RF. Of the already released RF lenses, the three L lenses all have me interested.

With an 85mm 1.2 and 85mm 1.8 already that I use a lot, I'm weighing what it would be like to sell my Canon EF 50mm 1.2 and use the Canon RF 28-70mm 2.0

umphotography wrote in post #18731471
How much do think the next released pro will cost ??

Just bend over and smile

It better have dual cards. IBIS would be a nice bonus.

I suspect it will be priced someplace BT the 1Dx2 and the 5D4 ... SNIP

One thing I'm very curious to learn, is whether or not an EOS R Pro will have 2 processors.

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I understand your thinking.

But .....

It reminds me of a poll I saw on another forum a few years ago about the price of the Nikon 800mm f5.6 lens. . The poll options started at $8,000 and only went up to, like, $12,000. . When I told the poll guy that his poll didn't go nearly high enough, I was met with criticism, and everybody in the thread thought I was being ridiculous.

Then Nikon released the lens and it was over $17,000

This low-priced EOS-R Pro poll reminded me of that, and I thought that the same thing might happen again, only with Canon and a body instead of Nikon and a lens.

Why do people often underestimate the prices that manufacturers are going to charge for their products? . I see it over and over and over, mostly with lenses, but occasionally with a body such as this EOS-R pro model.


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18732903
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I understand your thinking.

But .....

It reminds me of a poll I saw on another forum a few years ago about the price of the Nikon 800mm f5.6 lens. . The poll options started at $8,000 and only went up to, like, $12,000. . When I told the poll guy that his poll didn't go nearly high enough, I was met with criticism, and everybody in the thread thought I was being ridiculous.

Then Nikon released the lens and it was over $17,000

This low-priced EOS-R Pro poll reminded me of that, and I thought that the same thing might happen again, only with Canon and a body instead of Nikon and a lens.

Why do people often underestimate the prices that manufacturers are going to charge for their products?

If you feel there's a chance the EOS R PRO will contend or fit in with the likes of the Sony A or Canon 1DX mk ii ... I see nothing that says it can't happen.

I'm guessing more as a replacement or alternative to the Canon 5D mk iv, but maybe the value of the new RF lenses means a body leaps and bounds more like you implied.

mdvaden wrote in post #18733005
If you feel there's a chance the EOS R PRO will contend or fit in with the likes of the Sony A or Canon 1DX mk ii ... I see nothing that says it can't happen.

I'm guessing more as a replacement or alternative to the Canon 5D mk iv, but maybe the value of the new RF lenses means a body leaps and bounds more like you implied.

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I suppose it comes down to what type of pro model you expect the EOS R Pro to be. . If it is primarily designed and marketed as a professional wildlife and sports camera, then it would be directly competing with cameras like the A9 and the 1D Mark 2. . This is what Canon has traditionally considered to be their pro line.

If it is primarily designed and marketed as a professional wedding / portrait camera, then it will be specked similarly to the 5D series. . This is what Canon traditionally thought of as their "prosumer" line (although they may have recently started referring to the 5D series as "professional", as a marketing strategy/gimmick) . But we all know they are not specked like a true professional body, with respect to battery life, speed, and the extent to which they are weatherproofed.

If the expected EOS R Pro model is specked as a true, full professional model - like what you see used at NFL games and at the olympics - then I would expect it to be priced in the $4500 to $6500 range.

If the expected EOS R Pro model is specked more like a top prosumer model - like what you see used by professional wedding photographers - then I would expect it to be priced in the $2900 to $3900 range.

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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18841210
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I suppose it comes down to what type of pro model you expect the EOS R Pro to be. . If it is primarily designed and marketed as a professional wildlife and sports camera, then it would be directly competing with cameras like the A9 and the 1D Mark 2. . This is what Canon has traditionally considered to be their pro line.

If it is primarily designed and marketed as a professional wedding / portrait camera, then it will be specked similarly to the 5D series. . This is what Canon traditionally thought of as their "prosumer" line (although they may have recently started referring to the 5D series as "professional", as a marketing strategy/gimmick) . But we all know they are not specked like a true professional body, with respect to battery life, speed, and the extent to which they are weatherproofed.

If the expected EOS R Pro model is specked as a true, full professional model - like what you see used at NFL games and at the olympics - then I would expect it to be priced in the $4500 to $6500 range.

If the expected EOS R Pro model is specked more like a top prosumer model - like what you see used by professional wedding photographers - then I would expect it to be priced in the $2900 to $3900 range.

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I would agree 100% with this thought process

I think canon fully realizes that the professional wedding market, which makes up a large portion of canons camera sales, is not going to go all in with mirrorless technology cameras That have a single slot for recording images- This is suicide for a wedding photography business model. With all the features that the Sony A7111 and A9 offer.....i suspect Canon will introduce a Tweener .......its going to have more than what the A7iii offers and not as much as the A9.....I think we are looking at a $3500.00 model release

Rumors over at CR are that it'll be more of a 5DS/R type than a 1D/5D4 type of camera. High-mpx. Blah (for me).

An EOS R Pro version better be priced in line with the competition with competitive like-features. I will gauge the appropriate price on features/function and comparison to others. Since we don't know what Pro means to Canon... (A 5DS isn't a 1DX2 for example), this is my current litmus test.

LonelyBoy wrote in post #18841307
Rumors over at CR are that it'll be more of a 5DS/R type than a 1D/5D4 type of camera. High-mpx. Blah (for me).

Yeah

a 45mp sensor is not going to get me excited at all. Guess we can shoot it M raw and cut it down