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Oct 24, 2018 12:44 |  #1

I just received an email for a special upgrade offer for DxO PhotoLab 2. The upgrade cost for the Elite version I currently own is $69 through November 18, a $20 savings. The new version supposedly includes a digital asset management (DAM) feature. I went ahead and upgraded, but have not really tried it out yet -- except I can verify that there is still no support for Canon CR3 RAW files for my Canon M50 mirrorless body. Hopefully that will come soon -- that camera is the only one where I still use Lightroom 6 after converting the RAW files to DNG.


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Oct 25, 2018 03:46 |  #2

Thanks, good info.

I hope they fixed Highlights and Shadows slider to be as good as in Lightroom or Capture One.


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Oct 25, 2018 06:34 |  #3

Since DxO's website seems a little messed up right now and you cannot search for supported cameras like in the past, I opened a ticket with their tech support asking if they had an ETA for adding support for the Canon M50. Here is the reply I received:

"This is on our roadmap and we are working on it at this time but we do not have an ETA as of yet. Please keep an eye on our website, as well as emails, for information when we have it."


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Oct 25, 2018 10:14 |  #4

I got it less than 6 months ago. I emailed them yesterday and they couldn't do anything for me. I don't dislike the Adobe plan but if there was enough to move me off it I might consider it. I got Topaz's AI Clear last August and with the recent update it does as good a job as prime. Still a plug-in. I like to keep everything under one roof if I can.

Too bad as I pretty much always update software I use. I'm trying to find out if I can use Canon DCP profiles. By what it says it appears I can. I'm on a Mac and I just can't find them. I tried about a month ago and even with web searches I had no luck. That might spark some interest.


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Oct 25, 2018 11:10 |  #5

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I'm trying to find out if I can use Canon DCP profiles. By what it says it appears I can. I'm on a Mac and I just can't find them. I tried about a month ago and even with web searches I had no luck. That might spark some interest.

I would suggest opening a support ticket about the profiles. DxO's support group got back to me within a few hours regarding my question.


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Oct 25, 2018 13:10 |  #6

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I would suggest opening a support ticket about the profiles. DxO's support group got back to me within a few hours regarding my question.

I may have to. l've looked through all 3 Mac libraries and can't find them. DXO's site even shows a Canon 7D2 profile however I'm not sure if it was created or the actual Canon profile. I think I read Canon doesn't use DCP. I never spent a lot of time figuring out the meat and potatoes of profiles.

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Oct 25, 2018 13:18 |  #7

Ticket submitted. They replied in less than an hour about the pricing request.


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Oct 25, 2018 13:23 |  #8

I found the DCPs for the Canon 7D2 from Lightroom and was able to import one within DxO PL version 2. I am running Windows and have Lightroom 6. I found the profiles in the folder Lightroom/Resources/Ca​mera Profiles under the location where I installed Lightroom.


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Oct 25, 2018 13:35 |  #9

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I found the DCPs for the Canon 7D2 from Lightroom and was able to import one within DxO PL version 2. I am running Windows and have Lightroom 6. I found the profiles in the folder Lightroom/Resources/Ca​mera Profiles under the location where I installed Lightroom.

Those I did find. Thanks.

Ahhh. Yes DXO did say DxO PhotoLab 2 now supports .DCP profiles. This feature lets you maintain the same colors even if you switch between several processing and RAW editing programs.

You can't switch between DPP and DXO. Canon's LR profiles are just emulations and pretty good ones. Normally when I send a file from LR to DXO I use DXO's generic profile which is pretty close as well. However it comes back tp LR as "Color". You can't apply Canon or Adobe profiles, just those legacy, etc ones. I'll try out an LR profile and see what comes back.

I'll await their reply.


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Oct 25, 2018 13:50 |  #10

Actually I only have profiles from Colorchecker Passport where LR is installed.

I just found Adobe's. Mac has 3 libraries. System, local and user. It is in the local library.

Application support - Adobe - Camera RAW

There are two folders. Adobe Standard and Camera. I find it hard to believe DPP would keep their profiles in there. Gonna keep digging.


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Oct 25, 2018 15:37 |  #11

I don't think original Canon profiles can be used. Adobe and it's emulated camera profiles, 3rd party, Colour Checker Passport, camera systems that use DCP, etc.

The advantage is when back in LR, no matter which profile you used it retains edits but is still called Adobe Colour. Before it was just Colour and only legacy profiles were available. Now other Adobe and Camera profiles are available if you want to use them.

I did get a reply from DXO but they didn't answer my question so I replied back. Where did that 7D2 profile in their example come from - just in case there are Canon DCP profiles I can't find, but I doubt it. They said you can't create profiles using DXO.

I think export times from DXO back to LR are cut in half.


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Oct 26, 2018 10:35 |  #12

Adobe uses DCP profiles, as do some other raw processors (Iridient Developer and now DxO apparently). The Adobe Camera-specific profiles (like Standard, Neutral, Faithful, etc.) are here:


/Library/Application\ Support/Adobe/CameraRa​w/CameraProfiles/Camer​a

and then find the folder inside that location for your model. For example, the 7DII profiles from Adobe are here:


/Library/Application\ Support/Adobe/CameraRa​w/CameraProfiles/Camer​a/Canon\ EOS\ 7D\ Mark\ II

If you want to use custom DCPs that you have made (for example, with a Color Checker) they live here:


~/Library/Application\ Support/Adobe/CameraRa​w/CameraProfiles

where "~" means "Your Home Folder."

DPP does not use DCP profiles.

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Oct 26, 2018 11:05 |  #13

Thanks. I have this figured out. Canon does not use DCP profiles. Thanks!

Basically if you share with another developer like LR you can choose Adobe's DCP profile like for instance Canon 5D4. If you use it as as stand alone you can use any DCP profile. Of course if you send a file from LR you can use a different profile if you like.

Either way when it comes back to LR the profile is always Adobe Colour. Even if you make edits in DXO they are retained and is still Adobe Colour back in LR. Like I said the improvement is once back in LR you can now choose additional Adobe or Adobe's emulated Canon profiles.

I'm not sure I'm going to upgrade yet. Not sure this is worth $100 CND to me, especially after only 6 months of Version 1. If I were to drop the plan then yes. LR's generic camera rendering is pretty good. In version I just lose the option to pick a different profile back in LR except for the legacy ones.


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Oct 26, 2018 11:40 |  #14

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I'm not sure I'm going to upgrade yet. Not sure this is worth $100 CND to me, especially after only 6 months of Version 1. If I were to drop the plan then yes. LR's generic camera rendering is pretty good. In version I just lose the option to pick a different profile back in LR except for the legacy ones.

I upgraded because I never went down the Adobe subscription path (LR6 is my latest version) and I've been using PhotoLab instead of Lightroom for my Canon 5D3 and 7D2 RAW file processing. If I was paying for an Adobe subscription I probably wouldn't pay for the upgrade now, either. However, it was under $70 for me to upgrade, and I'll need the latest version when DxO finally adds support for my Canon M50 body.

I bought version 1 late last year, so this is a little quicker turnaround on an upgrade for me compared with my previous Lightroom upgrades. If support for the M50 doesn't get added to version 2, though, I will not be happy.


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Oct 26, 2018 12:10 |  #15

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I upgraded because I never went down the Adobe subscription path (LR6 is my latest version) and I've been using PhotoLab instead of Lightroom for my Canon 5D3 and 7D2 RAW file processing. If I was paying for an Adobe subscription I probably wouldn't pay for the upgrade now, either. However, it was under $70 for me to upgrade, and I'll need the latest version when DxO finally adds support for my Canon M50 body.

I bought version 1 late last year, so this is a little quicker turnaround on an upgrade for me compared with my previous Lightroom upgrades. If support for the M50 doesn't get added to version 2, though, I will not be happy.

I have always upgraded but since I only use DXO for Prime occasionally it really isn't worth it right now. The DCP thingy is appealing but I'll wait. My plan runs out on Nov 29 and Adobe has not ticked me off enough to quit. I'd have trouble giving up the DAM. Like DXO but lacks one critical thing for me. Even a temporary stack to tell me what I've done would be nice. I know you can toggle switches but that is pretty bogus. Even PS has always has a temporary stack since I started to use it in 2005. Don't get me wrong, it is very software. I chose it as my LR backup.

All the established developers are turning into an annual update cycle. C1 has released an annual update to the day since Version 9. The start-ups don't but they will one day.

I have Office 2008 and I went to the site. That is subscription too. What? I barely it or excel. Going to lose that when Mac goes beyond Mojave.


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