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Oct 29, 2018 13:54 |  #1

Hi all -

Any suggestions on shooting images of the moon with my current setup. I have a 60D and 70-300mm F/4-5.6 IS and a good tripod.

I took a few shots and they were pretty grainy so I tossed em.

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Oct 29, 2018 14:10 |  #2

f/5.6 is going to be tough with an older camera and hand held.

To lower the ISO get a good tripod, use mirror lock up and 2 second delay.


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Oct 30, 2018 03:51 |  #3

Not that old of a camera... mine is much older.... and the moon is bright so f/5.6 is not an issue either for you.

Tripod, mirror lockup, Start with: ISO 100, SS 1/125, f/11 go from there.




  
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Oct 30, 2018 06:41 |  #4

With more than 1/2 the moon showing, go ISO 800, f6.3, and shutter speed of around 1/200th or so, and make sure lens is good quality with IS.

High ISO isn't terrible if you know how to manage the post processing.

Examples from a camera sharing the same sensor:

IMAGE: https://photos.smugmug.com/Still-Life/Scenic-Moments/i-Rt4fwT3/0/09f63c78/X2/IMG_3007-X2.jpg

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With 2 stacked TC and a 500mm... the more zoomed in optically; easier it is for one to deal with high ISO...

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Oct 30, 2018 13:38 |  #5

I suggest use spot metering to figure out what exposure values to use. Start at f/5.6 at 300mm and a low ISO. I also highly recommend using mirror lock up and a remote trigger. Or mirror lock up and a shutter delay.

For a (near) full moon on a clear night I have use ISO400 1/640sec f/10. If you shoot in the same conditions at f/8, you could try ISO200 and 1/500sec.

Stacking multiple images also helps to reduce noise and bring out detail.


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Oct 30, 2018 16:34 |  #6

Thanks all - I will give some of these setting a try. It is pretty clear right now, but the moon is down to 1/2 so we'll see what it looks like. Otherwise I am going to need to wait a few weeks till the moon starts to come back.


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Oct 30, 2018 16:43 |  #7

All my shots were handheld, even with stacked TCs... I should have used a tripod however, but am too lazy.


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Oct 30, 2018 18:25 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #8

Lol. Nice.


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Oct 30, 2018 18:27 |  #9

Heck, I don't even think my tripod is stable enough to hold a 5D4 with a grip, 2 TCs and the Sigma monster of a lens. What is all that, probably 15lbs? My results would probably be worse with my tripod, lol.


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Oct 31, 2018 00:45 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #10

I agree with the "stacking in post", if noise is your biggest concern. Try stacking even just 10 pics, all with the same settings ... should clean up the noise 3x-ish.

I use registax to stack moon and planets. Be sure to crop all images to the same dimensions, and ideal if similarly orientated.


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Nov 01, 2018 09:41 as a reply to  @ legoman_iac's post |  #11

I have never stacked a set of pictures. Something new for me to try!


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Nov 01, 2018 11:51 |  #12

Justin_NJ wrote in post #18741423 (external link)
I have never stacked a set of pictures. Something new for me to try!

I haven't either, at least not in this sense. Good thing to try for sure, as it works well for astrophotography in general.


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Nov 01, 2018 18:03 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #13

It's revolutionised my lunar photography!

See examples below of single sub vs (sharpened) stack:

IMAGE: http://sketchdigital.com.au/photos/moon/misc/screenshot_01.jpg

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Feel free to ask questions if you try and get stuck.

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Nov 01, 2018 19:11 as a reply to  @ legoman_iac's post |  #14

Nice, what is the best free version of software to do this? Also, is 10 frames about as low as you want to go in order to do this? I assume the more, the better? Also how long does it take a 6000x4000 series of images to merge?


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Nov 04, 2018 04:30 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #15

Hey TeamSpeed,

I use registax, such is free and great! Though my computer (old pc) struggles a little with lots of images, especially if there is rotation differences between frames.

How many to stack? Up to you. I read a paper about SNR (signal to noise reduction) which approximates it as "1 to the square root". As below:

- 9 images: 3x cleaner
- 16: 4x
- 25: 5x ... 100: 10x

I've been stacking 15 mega pixel images, though sometimes crop the moon to help my old pc cope better.

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