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Mar 10, 2022 13:29 |  #76

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Haha, that would suck. No guilt here. There are much worse hobbies/habits to have than photography. I still remember my first digital camera fondly, the good ol' Kodak DC 220. 0.99mp. :lol:

Yeah as long as the gear is being used then there’s no regrets! At one stage I was interested in this lens and was looking to buy it but my issue is I have too many hobbies and my PC is in more need of an upgrade than my gear :p

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Mar 21, 2022 23:17 |  #81

Looks like my A1 testing was short-lived. I'm over my Sony experiment/experience. :lol:

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Mar 21, 2022 23:31 as a reply to  @ jwcdds's post |  #82

As a long-time Canon shooter who is on the edge of switching to Sony, mainly for the range of relatively small, light and affordable lenses available, including lenses such as the Samyang 35mm f/1.8 and Tamron 70-180 f/2.8, would you care to share why you are over your Sony experience? I don't have much hands on experience with the Sony system at all yet, so I'm very keen to hear the experience of another Canon user who has given the Sony system a go! (If this is not the thread for this sort of discussion, apologies.)




  
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As a long-time Canon shooter who is on the edge of switching to Sony, mainly for the range of relatively small, light and affordable lenses available, including lenses such as the Samyang 35mm f/1.8 and Tamron 70-180 f/2.8, would you care to share why you are over your Sony experience? I don't have much hands on experience with the Sony system at all yet, so I'm very keen to hear the experience of another Canon user who has given the Sony system a go! (If this is not the thread for this sort of discussion, apologies.)

Disclaimer: Below is just *MY* opinion. I'm no authority and I'm in no way trying to badmouth Sony.

Coming from my Canon bodies (and I do favor the larger "pro" body as it truly just feel more stable/secure in my hand), the size of the A1 is "uncomfortable" for me. It's angled/edgy camera body doesn't feel comfortable to hold single-handed. Now it's likely my fault for sticking a "large and heavier" 50/1.2 prime on it, but the grip would dig into my palm at the "Thenar eminence." My pinky was left in no-man's land. My thumb (and I don't think I have a fat thumb) would keep pressing the AEL button and that often screwed up the metering because I'd hit the AEL while lifting the camera up to my face so it's not locked to the scene I ultimately want to meter and photograph. :lol:

Arguably, I could get a battery/vertical grip but then that would invalidate the point of having a "smaller" camera body.

I encountered some issues with single-shot AF with the A1, as in it was not as accurate as I expected it (coming from Canon). That was surprising to me! But the Continuous AF/tracking seems quite good. For example, I was trying to photograph a dandelion on my yard near minimum focus distance in broad daylight. The A1 just flat out refused to focus on the dandelion. It would rack focus quickly and then stop altogether, as if it's locked onto something and lets me take a completely OOF photo. It was frustrating enough to the point where I went to grab my R3/50 and did the same shot and the R3 was able to lock focus on the dandelion with ease!

I shot with the A1 every day for 2 weeks alongside my R3 and in the past 14-days, it's made me very paranoid in single-shot AF mode as to whether the captured image would actually be what I wanted to focus on. I can only say it seems consistently inconsistent. That said, if/when I'm tracking something in continuous AF, once it locks, it does an incredible job sticking to the subject/target.

I have also gotten spoiled by Canon's ability to instantly swap between single-shot/servo with just a tap of a button. I don't have to take my eyes off the subject/scene, I don't even have to look at the camera. I've got my R5 & R3 setup where the button near the lens mount will alternate between SS/SERVO. (I had it setup the same with the 1DX3, except with the 1DX3, I had to hold down the button.) For the Sony, you have all these mechanical dials up on top so taking your eyes off the target/scene to look at the top of the camera is almost a necessity to adjust AF modes. For instance, if I'm holding the camera with 2-hands, left hand on lens barrel, right hand holding the grip and shooting... in order for me to swap between SS/Servo, one of the hands has to change position. No such need with the Canons.

When chimping and reviewing photos, I'm more accustomed to using the dials/buttons to zoom in/out, move the image, etc... With Sony's default setup, zooming in/out requires rotating the back dial (which also acts as a 4-way button) and if my fat thumb doesn't apply the perfect pressure, I'll hit the button and then I screw things up a bit.

I can go on, but these are the "main" points as to why the A1 isn't for me. Doesn't mean it's a bad camera. I'm just a terrible operator. :lol:


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Mar 22, 2022 09:17 as a reply to  @ jwcdds's post |  #84

Thank you for your thoughts!

I have used the Canon 6D series cameras for years so I wouldn't be coming from a "pro" body as you are are, but I have to say when I have picked up Sony bodies in the past I felt they were small and fiddly, which is one of the reasons I stayed away from Sony initially. Still, some people like them, so I have wondered if it was something I could get used to.

I am surprised to hear you didn't have confidence in the Sony's AF in one shot mode, but I only say that becaue I see so many people saying how good Sony's AF is! Very interesting that you were not so quite so impressed with it. Your comments about switching between SS/Servo modes adn having to look at the top of the camera are interesting too. These cameras are all good cameras really, but these little things can certainly make a difference to the enjoyment of using them.

I was just about at the point of breaking down and sellling my Canon gear and getting myself an A7 IV, but you have reminded me that it would be silly to do that until I've managed to get my hands on an A7 IV and given it a proper test to see whether I think it will work for me. I'm just so jealous of the lenses available for the Sony system though! :(




  
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Thank you for your thoughts!

I have used the Canon 6D series cameras for years so I wouldn't be coming from a "pro" body as you are are, but I have to say when I have picked up Sony bodies in the past I felt they were small and fiddly, which is one of the reasons I stayed away from Sony initially. Still, some people like them, so I have wondered if it was something I could get used to.

I am surprised to hear you didn't have confidence in the Sony's AF in one shot mode, but I only say that becaue I see so many people saying how good Sony's AF is! Very interesting that you were not so quite so impressed with it. Your comments about switching between SS/Servo modes adn having to look at the top of the camera are interesting too. These cameras are all good cameras really, but these little things can certainly make a difference to the enjoyment of using them.

I was just about at the point of breaking down and sellling my Canon gear and getting myself an A7 IV, but you have reminded me that it would be silly to do that until I've managed to get my hands on an A7 IV and given it a proper test to see whether I think it will work for me. I'm just so jealous of the lenses available for the Sony system though! :(

:lol:

Well don't discount Sony on account of my experience. I'm sure if I wasn't so accustomed to Canon all these years, I would be enamored with Sony. There's a lot to like. (But now that Canon's mirrorless are arguably on-par (minus the 50mp stacked sensor), but seems like the next generation Canon might be heading towards stacked sensors as well. At least the signs are pointing that way.


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Mar 22, 2022 14:28 |  #86

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Disclaimer: Below is just *MY* opinion. I'm no authority and I'm in no way trying to badmouth Sony.

Coming from my Canon bodies (and I do favor the larger "pro" body as it truly just feel more stable/secure in my hand), the size of the A1 is "uncomfortable" for me. It's angled/edgy camera body doesn't feel comfortable to hold single-handed. Now it's likely my fault for sticking a "large and heavier" 50/1.2 prime on it, but the grip would dig into my palm at the "Thenar eminence." My pinky was left in no-man's land. My thumb (and I don't think I have a fat thumb) would keep pressing the AEL button and that often screwed up the metering because I'd hit the AEL while lifting the camera up to my face so it's not locked to the scene I ultimately want to meter and photograph. :lol:

Arguably, I could get a battery/vertical grip but then that would invalidate the point of having a "smaller" camera body.

I encountered some issues with single-shot AF with the A1, as in it was not as accurate as I expected it (coming from Canon). That was surprising to me! But the Continuous AF/tracking seems quite good. For example, I was trying to photograph a dandelion on my yard near minimum focus distance in broad daylight. The A1 just flat out refused to focus on the dandelion. It would rack focus quickly and then stop altogether, as if it's locked onto something and lets me take a completely OOF photo. It was frustrating enough to the point where I went to grab my R3/50 and did the same shot and the R3 was able to lock focus on the dandelion with ease!

I shot with the A1 every day for 2 weeks alongside my R3 and in the past 14-days, it's made me very paranoid in single-shot AF mode as to whether the captured image would actually be what I wanted to focus on. I can only say it seems consistently inconsistent. That said, if/when I'm tracking something in continuous AF, once it locks, it does an incredible job sticking to the subject/target.

I have also gotten spoiled by Canon's ability to instantly swap between single-shot/servo with just a tap of a button. I don't have to take my eyes off the subject/scene, I don't even have to look at the camera. I've got my R5 & R3 setup where the button near the lens mount will alternate between SS/SERVO. (I had it setup the same with the 1DX3, except with the 1DX3, I had to hold down the button.) For the Sony, you have all these mechanical dials up on top so taking your eyes off the target/scene to look at the top of the camera is almost a necessity to adjust AF modes. For instance, if I'm holding the camera with 2-hands, left hand on lens barrel, right hand holding the grip and shooting... in order for me to swap between SS/Servo, one of the hands has to change position. No such need with the Canons.

When chimping and reviewing photos, I'm more accustomed to using the dials/buttons to zoom in/out, move the image, etc... With Sony's default setup, zooming in/out requires rotating the back dial (which also acts as a 4-way button) and if my fat thumb doesn't apply the perfect pressure, I'll hit the button and then I screw things up a bit.

I can go on, but these are the "main" points as to why the A1 isn't for me. Doesn't mean it's a bad camera. I'm just a terrible operator. :lol:

Sony cameras are actually more optimized for AF-C and that’s considered the default mode for them. When I owned the A7III I pretty much never shot in One Shot and have actually mostly continued that habit since switching back to the R6.

The only time I consider using One Shot is if the camera is on a tripod and it’s a completely static subject i.e a landscape.


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Mar 22, 2022 15:59 |  #87

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Sony cameras are actually more optimized for AF-C and that’s considered the default mode for them. When I owned the A7III I pretty much never shot in One Shot and have actually mostly continued that habit since switching back to the R6.

The only time I consider using One Shot is if the camera is on a tripod and it’s a completely static subject i.e a landscape.

Thank you for this. So it wasn't all in my head then. The SS AF inconsistency was driving me insane. Their AF-C is certainly world class, no arguments from me there. I think for me, it's the old habit/thinking of why make the system work harder when I'm shooting rather static scenes. I don't need the AF motor on the lens always running/adjusting, draining battery and adding AF motor wear. And that same habit/thinking has led me to select Servo only when I'm shooting sports/action/birding. Which is why I really love my 1-button switch from Servo/Single-Shot option that Sony doesn't provide me.

So it's down to operator preferences. All the cameras these days are incredibly capable of delivering amazing IQ. I mean I'm literally complaining about button placement, ergonomics, texture of the grip, etc... :lol:


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Thank you for this. So it wasn't all in my head then. The SS AF inconsistency was driving me insane. Their AF-C is certainly world class, no arguments from me there. I think for me, it's the old habit/thinking of why make the system work harder when I'm shooting rather static scenes. I don't need the AF motor on the lens always running/adjusting, draining battery and adding AF motor wear. And that same habit/thinking has led me to select Servo only when I'm shooting sports/action/birding. Which is why I really love my 1-button switch from Servo/Single-Shot option that Sony doesn't provide me.

So it's down to operator preferences. All the cameras these days are incredibly capable of delivering amazing IQ. I mean I'm literally complaining about button placement, ergonomics, texture of the grip, etc... :lol:

Do you ever use back button AF? I usually have my camera (6D mark II) in servo AF but the camera set for BBF so I can make servo AF similar to one shot AF by taking my finger of the AF button whenever I want the camera to stop continuing to AF and lock focus. Perhaps that would work for you on your Sony so you can shoot in AF-C but still avoid the AF motor running when you don't want it to?




  
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Do you ever use back button AF? I usually have my camera (6D mark II) in servo AF but the camera set for BBF so I can make servo AF similar to one shot AF by taking my finger of the AF button whenever I want the camera to stop continuing to AF and lock focus. Perhaps that would work for you on your Sony so you can shoot in AF-C but still avoid the AF motor running when you don't want it to?

I don't use BBAF as when I'm sometimes shooting one-handed, I need the thumb to help secure the camera. It's not a huge deal. Just preferences and habits that one must break/develop over time.

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Sony cameras are actually more optimized for AF-C and that’s considered the default mode for them. When I owned the A7III I pretty much never shot in One Shot and have actually mostly continued that habit since switching back to the R6.

The only time I consider using One Shot is if the camera is on a tripod and it’s a completely static subject i.e a landscape.

Here's a fun example of AF-S doing whatever-the-hell it wants to. No, it wasn't my intention to have EVERYTHING OOF. But my A1 decided it was more artistic this way. :lol:

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Thank you for this. So it wasn't all in my head then. The SS AF inconsistency was driving me insane. Their AF-C is certainly world class, no arguments from me there. I think for me, it's the old habit/thinking of why make the system work harder when I'm shooting rather static scenes. I don't need the AF motor on the lens always running/adjusting, draining battery and adding AF motor wear. And that same habit/thinking has led me to select Servo only when I'm shooting sports/action/birding. Which is why I really love my 1-button switch from Servo/Single-Shot option that Sony doesn't provide me.

So it's down to operator preferences. All the cameras these days are incredibly capable of delivering amazing IQ. I mean I'm literally complaining about button placement, ergonomics, texture of the grip, etc... :lol:

No problem and yeah it’s not you! I rarely used it in the 3 years I shot Sony but I found that even if it was in focus, it would still refocus if you pressed the button down again unlike Canon.

Not sure if it’s changed since the A7III never had real time tracking but I found with Canon Servo once it hits focus, if you or the subject are completely still then it will just simply stop focusing but on Sony it will still continue to require focus constantly. Not facts so don’t quote me on it but I think the AF motors for Sony lenses are designed to be used this way so don’t worry too much.

When I used DSLR’s I never used Servo but since getting used to using it from Sony I never miss shots. That could be from Mirrorless in general but I definitely do feel shooting Servo majority of the time does help a lot too.

I personally feel that you can’t go wrong with either the 50GM or RF50L but I do like the rendering of Canon lenses more and AF motor noise on Sony lenses better.

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Here's a fun example of AF-S doing whatever-the-hell it wants to. No, it wasn't my intention to have EVERYTHING OOF. But my A1 decided it was more artistic this way. :lol:

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Clearly the camera felt it was more artistic than you :p


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