No new releases for EF lens for 2019- per Canon

At some point in the next 3-5 years, everyone participating in this thread will already own a FF mirrorless body, and either saying to themselves "Screw it, I'm going all native" or have already done it

Nothing wrong with holding on to old glory EF lenses, and I still have some. It's costly to switch, but past the early adopter stage, prices start to settle to where they belong. Make not mistake about it, going from EF to RF is a form of switching, even if brand is the same.

ready or not, it's happening. Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, Samyang, they're all on board, and if Canon hesitates, they'll get first dibs on Canon profits, and Canon knows this. Nikon knows this as well, hence their extensive roadmap.

umphotography wrote in post #18748399
Before summer 2019 is my prediction

If both 1 and 5 series replacements are shipping in 6-8 months, then the idea that there will be no more EF lens development is indeed likely.

I still have a very hard time believing that Canon can cram the needed processing power into either a 5D4 or 1DxII equivalent mirrorless camera. From a business POV, it does make sense to move as quickly as possible to the new standard. If it comes to pass, I wonder if they will have to partner with someone to help make their processors more efficient. Or maybe the'll just cram 3 Digic processors in there. lol.

Charlie wrote in post #18748549
At some point in the next 3-5 years, everyone participating in this thread will already own a FF mirrorless body, and either saying to themselves "Screw it, I'm going all native" or have already done it

Nothing wrong with holding on to old glory EF lenses, and I still have some. It's costly to switch, but past the early adopter stage, prices start to settle to where they belong. Make not mistake about it, going from EF to RF is a form of switching, even if brand is the same.

ready or not, it's happening. Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, Samyang, they're all on board, and if Canon hesitates, they'll get first dibs on Canon profits, and Canon knows this. Nikon knows this as well, hence their extensive roadmap.

You are close to my prediction about timeline, but definitely taken into consideration that POTN members in this thread (or total canon ownership at POTN) is single digit percentages of the overall global Canon market. So it matters little what we think here, Canon has to win the world over. That is likely to take longer than 3 years. I put that at about the 5 year mark where Canon will have made enough of a dent to start backing off completely from DSLR and EF/EFS lenses. So I would be surprised if Canon stops all DSLR and EF/EFS production in 3 years, I feel it is closer to 5 years. At that point, Canon will start to force ownership in that direction.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18748555
If both 1 and 5 series replacements are shipping in 6-8 months, then the idea that there will be no more EF lens development is indeed likely.

I still have a very hard time believing that Canon can cram the needed processing power into either a 5D4 or 1DxII equivalent mirrorless camera. From a business POV, it does make sense to move as quickly as possible to the new standard. If it comes to pass, I wonder if they will have to partner with someone to help make their processors more efficient. Or maybe the'll just cram 3 Digic processors in there. lol.

I also would be surprised if the pro EOS R is available to the general public by then as well. It is highly likely they have select individuals testing one though. I am quite sure there is already a pro version in limited development, the EOS R was their way to get something out in 2018, but other designs would already be in the works.

Definitely, and as I re-read my post, if Canon needs some assistance improving power consumption/heat generation/processing power, they would have started working with someone a year or more ago.

Edit: Digic is based on ARM instruction set. Partnership with Apple?

:popcorn:

nqjudo wrote in post #18748526
I think you're trying to obfuscate the issue. I never made or paid attention to any comparison between the D5 and the 1DxII nor do I care to. The point I am trying to make there is about you making a huge fuss about Nikon introducing a better camera than the 1Dx only to fall in love with the 1DxII a very short while later. It doesn't matter which one you think is 'better' because you chose the one that was better or you even after speculating about making the jump to Nikon. It speaks clearly to the fact that somewhere you believe that 'better' is not necessarily the best. It was a point that I made in a larger context regarding your apparent predilection for making dramatic, reactionary statements based on emotion rather than facts. It's fine for you to be passionate about something but don't try to convince me that you know the future. Explorers of light, etc.? Really??? Explorers of light have a direct benefit from endorsing products so they have to be excluded from the argument. This is true in any important study where neutrality is paramount. Just ask anyone who works in a scientific field. Anyway, all of this chatter about better and best is pretty much irrelevant. It goes back to the same old story. The last time I checked the best photos around were about subject, composition and lighting. If you can explain to me how purchase somehow became more important than practice and how some of the best photographs ever taken were done so with cameras that are archaic compared to entry-level bodies available today maybe I'll listen more attentively to this gear frenzy. And I'm sorry you think I'm 'messing' with you but I actually enjoy the occasional spirited debate and no one has said anything disrespectful here thus far. I enjoy your comments often and you've gotten more than a few likes from me but we don't have to agree on everything. If you want to agree to disagree and call it quits that's fine. I don't think we're going to change each other's minds here nor do I think we'll influence anyone else.

1- I did not buy Nikon because I am heavily invested in Canon. The D5 is still a better camera than the Canon 1Dx2- When a guy like Ole Liodden does an extensive evaluation for Nikon about the D5 and you have crickets from the canon Camp about what they are doing with sensor development..... Thats when I made the post. I still stand behind that post. Nikon is the better camera. But Canon introduced a sensor that was in the ballpark. Goof for invested Canon shooters .......remember this- at the time, all canon shooters had was the 5D3 sensor and we all saw what Sony was doing for the past 18 months..we all saw the D750 and how that stacked to the 5D3......That good enough for you ?

Here is the field report. See if you can get an actual full copy of the report and educate yourself
http://thenewcamera.co​m …-review-by-ole-j-liodden/

2-I was considering the A7iii because of adapter use and the ability to possibility use adapted glass- After use of the A7111 and research I stayed Canon. To get the full benefit of Sony Technology you have to use Native glass. End of story. Works like crapola in dark environments on adapted glass.

3- I NEVER BELIVE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM that is commonly spewed and becomes Gospel at POTN or any other internet forum. I base my decisions from people that I know and trust and when i get the products in my hands.....Case in point with Sony and adapted glass use....Its Crapola in many instances and cant hit the broad side of a barn... personal experience and not opinion....personal experience and not opinion from just about everyone wedding pro that I know that uses both systems..... That conventional wisdom myth at POTN is a total fallacy.

3- The explorer of light photographers that I know are working photographers and are some of the very best in this business. Period. They are given the equipment for evaluation purposes and to get honest feedback back to the MFG. I know one tester who evaluates sensors and performance while the body in in development. He shoots in real world situations and evaluates for the MFG. These people shoot circles around any of us. They are the best for good reason. So dont go there as you have no idea WTH you are talking about. From a purely technical aspect they are among the best in the industry. Lighting composition and subject matter has nothing to do with why that are selected when evaluating technology for MFG requirements

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18748652
You are close to my prediction about timeline, but definitely taken into consideration that POTN members in this thread (or total canon ownership at POTN) is single digit percentages of the overall global Canon market. So it matters little what we think here, Canon has to win the world over. That is likely to take longer than 3 years. I put that at about the 5 year mark where Canon will have made enough of a dent to start backing off completely from DSLR and EF/EFS lenses. So I would be surprised if Canon stops all DSLR and EF/EFS production in 3 years, I feel it is closer to 5 years. At that point, Canon will start to force ownership in that direction.

they will still produce it, but not in meaningful ways. Nikon still produces lenses from the 80's

https://www.amazon.com …ual-Cameras/dp/B00009R95Y

the volume of sales is likely in the single digits. It's a nice lens, works great on mirrorless bodies.

I think the writing is on the wall, super aggressive lens release means that Canon is in fighting mode. There behavior has shifted, they want a clean transition, and going after the bulk of the users first. 35, 24-105, 28-70, 50, these are all core style lenses, nothing niche about them.

we can hear news about this and that strategy, but how the market moves, is ultimately the end game. Whether we're right or wrong, I'de pay attention to the market if I were invested in Canon/Nikon.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18748653
I also would be surprised if the pro EOS R is available to the general public by then as well. It is highly likely they have select individuals testing one though. I am quite sure there is already a pro version in limited development, the EOS R was their way to get something out in 2018, but other designs would already be in the works.

I bet the testers have already evaluated and this body is getting ready to be marketed. When they hint that new bodies will be released in the near future and well as new glass is in development AND NO EF LENS RELEASES for 2019.........Its not Rocket science

umphotography wrote in post #18748709
1- I did not buy Nikon because I am heavily invested in Canon. The D5 is still a better camera than the Canon 1Dx2- When a guy like Ole Liodden does an extensive evaluation for Nikon about the D5 and you have crickets from the canon Camp about what they are doing with sensor development..... Thats when I made the post. I still stand behind that post. Nikon is the better camera. But Canon introduced a sensor that was in the ballpark. Goof for invested Canon shooters .......remember this- at the time, all canon shooters had was the 5D3 sensor and we all saw what Sony was doing for the past 18 months..we all saw the D750 and how that stacked to the 5D3......That good enough for you ?

Here is the field report. See if you can get an actual full copy of the report and educate yourself
http://thenewcamera.co​m …-review-by-ole-j-liodden/

2-I was considering the A7iii because of adapter use and the ability to possibility use adapted glass- After use of the A7111 and research I stayed Canon. To get the full benefit of Sony Technology you have to use Native glass. End of story. Works like crapola in dark environments on adapted glass.

3- I NEVER BELIVE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM that is commonly spewed and becomes Gospel at POTN or any other internet forum. I base my decisions from people that I know and trust and when i get the products in my hands.....Case in point with Sony and adapted glass use....Its Crapola in many instances and cant hit the broad side of a barn... personal experience and not opinion....personal experience and not opinion from just about everyone wedding pro that I know that uses both systems..... That conventional wisdom myth at POTN is a total fallacy.

3- The explorer of light photographers that I know are working photographers and are some of the very best in this business. Period. They are given the equipment for evaluation purposes and to get honest feedback back to the MFG. I know one tester who evaluates sensors and performance while the body in in development. He shoots in real world situations and evaluates for the MFG. These people shoot circles around any of us. They are the best for good reason. So dont go there as you have no idea WTH you are talking about. From a purely technical aspect they are among the best in the industry. Lighting composition and subject matter has nothing to do with why that are selected when evaluating technology for MFG requirements

Lol. Mike, you're talking in circles. On one hand you have all these people in the know and an incredible talent for making bold and accurate predictions about what Canon is going to do and on the other you have no idea ('crickets') what Canon is doing with a sensor a month before release? How is that? You have all these trusted sources and your own hands but yet you open up threads here asking everyone's opinion about their experiences. You even offer thanks for things you weren't aware of but declare that "conventional wisdom myth at POTN is a total fallacy" (except for your opinion of course). I'd say that is one heck of a disconnect. You talk about EF as if is no longer a viable option for anyone with half a brain yet you admit that you went with the 1DxII because even though the D5 is superior the sum of the parts is greater than one component.

I enjoy a good debate but you're clearly in the realm of putting up a facade instead of realizing that you're just like the rest of us. You're a guy on the Internet with an opinion. Nothing wrong with that. This exchange has taken on an uncomfortable tone for me so I'm out of this with you. No hard feelings and I hope we can enjoy exchanges that are more positive than this in the future.

the sensor war is sooooo yesterday. it's about glass now and Canon has dropped some stunners.

Charlie wrote in post #18748549
At some point in the next 3-5 years, everyone participating in this thread will already own a FF mirrorless body, and either saying to themselves "Screw it, I'm going all native" or have already done it

Nothing wrong with holding on to old glory EF lenses, and I still have some. It's costly to switch, but past the early adopter stage, prices start to settle to where they belong. Make not mistake about it, going from EF to RF is a form of switching, even if brand is the same.

ready or not, it's happening. Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, Samyang, they're all on board, and if Canon hesitates, they'll get first dibs on Canon profits, and Canon knows this. Nikon knows this as well, hence their extensive roadmap.

I don't see it as switching as much as I do upgrading, and I would advise anyone who owns EF glass that they may wake up one morning and find the new Canon bodies no longer support EF protocol. and oh canon will give you a reason why they had to do it just like apple did when we found out they were slowing down older phones. they do it for your own good. they're looking out for you lol.

keep an eye on the third party lens companies and see what direction they move in. let's see if sigma keeps churning out ef mount art lenses.

That post isn't about the sensor.

We know Canon can make high resolution sensors, yet they are consistently lowest MP by market segment. I personally don't care to have any more than they offer and won't really base a buying decision on the sensor because they are all fine these days. However, moving sensor data to storage while handling all the other goings on inside the camera seems to be a bottle neck.

ed rader wrote in post #18748780
I don't see it as switching as much as I do upgrading, and I would advise anyone who owns EF glass that they may wake up one morning and find the new Canon bodies no longer support EF protocol. and oh canon will give you a reason why they had to do it just like apple did when we found out they were slowing down older phones. they do it for your own good. they're looking out for you lol.

keep an eye on the third party lens companies and see what direction they move in. let's see if sigma keeps churning out ef mount art lenses.

Yup Fully agree

I was going to get the 105 art from sigma this winter. Not gonna happen now. Im still on the fence with the 70-200F/4

My gut tells me they will introduce a 70-200F4. They already have the 24-105 on the market so the technology is there.

When they release a dual card body I am all in. I just have to make a smart decision because I use these bodies for business purposes and not hobby purposes.

"However, moving sensor data to storage while handling all the other goings on inside the camera seems to be a bottle neck.":

sorry man. i'm not even sure what that means. could you explain?

umphotography wrote in post #18748720
I bet the testers have already evaluated and this body is getting ready to be marketed. When they hint that new bodies will be released in the near future and well as new glass is in development AND NO EF LENS RELEASES for 2019.........Its not Rocket science

Again, a lesser EOS-R in by April (timeframe IMO) and a pro version (and that could be a 5DS equivalent or a 1DX equivalent, we don't know which) by Sept.