Is Canon 'clearing house' on EF mounts that will be replaced with RF mounts?

buddy4344 wrote in post #18808229
I guess time will tell. Yes, the new 28-70 f/2 zoom is intriguing, but I just handled this brute. Whoa, it's big. Leaked images said to be the R mount 70-200 show it as being much shorter than the EF versions, but those are only leaked images and could just be photoshop tricks.

Maybe the 70 -200 R has a telescoping barrel ?
Don

Littlefield wrote in post #18808653
Maybe the 70 -200 R has a telescoping barrel ?
Don

here is the video from Fro-----its real,,,wowzers this is a huge change
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=KegpELZrnHk

Wilt wrote in post #18807834
Canon has demonstrated little to no true 'advantage' of the R mount lens, apart from the fact that there is an extra control ring on the lens which can be assigned user-defined function. Since the adapter can add the control ring to EF lenses, that takes away inherent advantage of R lenses in that regard.

Admittedly, there is the optical performance gains when retrofocus optics can be abandoned and non-retrofocus can be used instead...but that is limited to short FL glass!

So what benefit will be achieved from the 'faster communications' in the R mount that will drive buyers to the R glass because the EF glass in normal to telephoto designs is truly 'inferior' in demonstratable ways to the R glass?!

Curious minds want to know.

The main advantage of the R lenses is that they work on Canon's platform of the future. EF is in the beginning stages of becoming a legacy mount.

David Arbogast wrote in post #18810914
The main advantage of the R lenses is that they work on Canon's platform of the future. EF is in the beginning stages of becoming a legacy mount.

And so then, if I am an EF system owner with half dozen or more lenses plus several bodies, what will motivate me to abandon my inventory of EF lens (much of which was purchased at the more economic used goods prices) and stimulate lens business activity for Canon to want to develop all new optics in R mount?
When the dSLR and the mirrorless largely can shoot the same stuff... just what will make me WANT to sell off my EF lenses and rebuy at the new lens R mount higher prices of lenses, rather than shooting with adapter on my newly purchased R-mount mirrorless body?

It seems that it behooves Canon to prove value of the R mount lens series to consumers, so that it stimulates buyers to WANT to get the new mount optics, rather than simply mounting EF lenses with an adapter. If the EF 400mm fits just fine, just what advantage comes with a R-mount 400mm optics (that cost more money than the EF 400mm)>

Wilt wrote in post #18812350
And so then, if I am an EF system owner with half dozen or more lenses plus several bodies, what will motivate me to abandon my inventory of EF lens (much of which was purchased at the more economic used goods prices) and stimulate lens business activity for Canon to want to develop all new optics in R mount?
When the dSLR and the mirrorless largely can shoot the same stuff... just what will make me WANT to sell off my EF lenses and rebuy at the new lens R mount higher prices of lenses, rather than shooting with adapter on my newly purchased R-mount mirrorless body?

It seems that it behooves Canon to prove value of the R mount lens series to consumers, so that it stimulates buyers to WANT to get the new mount optics, rather than simply mounting EF lenses with an adapter. If the EF 400mm fits just fine, just what advantage comes with a R-mount 400mm optics (that cost more money than the EF 400mm)>

This isn’t about proving anything or motivating anyone. Eventually Canon is likely to phase out making DSLRs. They’re just doing the requisite work of building up a lineup of quality native glass for the new mount.

I don’t think Canon is trying to motivate their base to up and change gear to the new platform, it’s just going to happen organically over time, especially as new Canon users come on line.

In my opinion the best way to motivate R mount glass sales is for Canon to produce a killer EOS R camera lineup. So far they’re they’ve just made a couple of middling uncompetetive ff mirrorless bodies, so I grow less optimistic of Canon’s longterm health as a camera gear manufacturer. I’m rooting for them though even though they lost me forever as a customer.

David Arbogast wrote in post #18812367
This isn’t about proving anything or motivating anyone. Eventually Canon is likely to phase out making DSLRs. They’re just doing the requisite work of building up a lineup of quality native glass for the new mount.

I don’t think Canon is trying to motivate their base to up and change gear to the new platform, it’s just going to happen organically over time, especially as new Canon users come on line.

In my opinion the best way to motivate R mount glass sales is for Canon to produce a killer EOS R camera lineup. So far they’re they’ve just made a couple of middling uncompetetive ff mirrorless bodies, so I grow less optimistic of Canon’s longterm health as a camera gear manufacturer. I’m rooting for them though even though they lost me forever as a customer.

David,
I presume that profit motivations among Canon executives, to satisfy stockholders, would be the reason for Canon to promote changeover rather than the 'eventually it will happen anyway' modus operandi ! FD to EF mount was stimulated via the incompatability of FD lenses on EF bodies, due to the adapter optics to preserve Infinity focus. No such motivation exists for R mount body users, in fact they are encouraged to use EF glass with the adapters that are available to ease the transition for EF lens owners! So, if the R mount has some inherent advantage over EF mount, Canon ought to want to stimulate the changeover, for improved profitability on the short term, particularly in view of the ever slumping dSLR and interchangeable lens sales.

Wilt wrote in post #18812373
David,
I presume that profit motivations among Canon executives, to satisfy stockholders, would be the reason for Canon to promote changeover rather than the 'eventually it will happen anyway' modus operandi ! FD to EF mount was stimulated via the incompatability of FD lenses on EF bodies, due to the adapter optics to preserve Infinity focus. No such motivation exists for R mount body users, in fact they are encouraged to use EF glass with the adapters that are available to ease the transition for EF lens owners! So, if the R mount has some inherent advantage over EF mount, Canon ought to want to stimulate the changeover, for improved profitability on the short term, particularly in view of the ever slumping dSLR and interchangeable lens sales.

The whole reason for the R platform is to stop the hemorrhaging of their customers migrating to Sony. They’re trying to stop the bleeding (losing profit) and retain their customer base. Seems like a good enough reason to satisfy Canon executives.

Canon stockholders? They’re morons. As an active trader I’ll tell you absolutely nothing Canon is doing motivates me to want to buy their stock. Have you looked at Canon stock? It peaked around 2006 and has been on a consistent downward trend ever since. Not a smart buy/hold investment! I’m not buying any Sony stock either for that matter, though at least it’s on a 5-year uptrend.

You're falling victim to the zealous behavior of a customer trying to keep hold of the 'Canon is king of market share' mentality!
If you look at quarterly profitability, Canon has not had a good strong period in the green since 2010...it takes money to operate a company, and that is most importantly via the quarterly profit statements. You can win tons of market share, but if you are always operating in the red, eventually your company fails.

In January 2018, it forecast operating profit to rise 27 percent to 420 billion yen ($3.9 billion), representing a second consecutive year of profit gains and beating a consensus estimate of 376 billion yen from Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.

Wilt wrote in post #18812399
You're falling victim to the zealous behavior of a customer trying to keep hold of the 'Canon is king of market share' mentality!
If you look at quarterly profitability, Canon has not had a good strong period in the green since 2010...it takes money to operate a company, and that is most importantly via the quarterly profit statements. You can win tons of market share, but if you are always operating in the red, eventually your company fails.

In January 2018, it forecast operating profit to rise 27 percent to 420 billion yen ($3.9 billion), representing a second consecutive year of profit gains and beating a consensus estimate of 376 billion yen from Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.

I’m a victim? Ok, I think my engagement in this convo is over.

Gee, I had no intention to offend...I merely thought we were having a discussion.

Wilt wrote in post #18812373
David,
I presume that profit motivations among Canon executives, to satisfy stockholders, would be the reason for Canon to promote changeover rather than the 'eventually it will happen anyway' modus operandi ! FD to EF mount was stimulated via the incompatability of FD lenses on EF bodies, due to the adapter optics to preserve Infinity focus. No such motivation exists for R mount body users, in fact they are encouraged to use EF glass with the adapters that are available to ease the transition for EF lens owners! So, if the R mount has some inherent advantage over EF mount, Canon ought to want to stimulate the changeover, for improved profitability on the short term, particularly in view of the ever slumping dSLR and interchangeable lens sales.

The "advantage" will be that one day old EF cameras will one day all be worn out and only R mount cameras will be available.

David Arbogast wrote in post #18812384
The whole reason for the R platform is to stop the hemorrhaging of their customers migrating to Sony. They’re trying to stop the bleeding (losing profit) and retain their customer base. Seems like a good enough reason to satisfy Canon executives.

Canon has had a vision of doing away with the flapping mirror for decades. It wasn't possible with film cameras.

I don't think it was nothing but the migration of a few (relatively) camera buyers to Sony that has encouraged Canon to develop a mirrorless camera. It is the inevitable future.

Wilt wrote in post #18806264
It would be nice to have Canon provide an R mount lens which is significantly better in NON-optical ways, so we get to see the practical benefits of the higher speed communications. To me, those advantages (due to communications speed) marks one of the drivers for why any long FL needs to be in the R mount, having redesigned optics and taking advantage of the larger available optical clearances of the R mount.

I was hoping to hear about Canon implementing leaf shutters in the new R lens protocol. I've been disappointed, so far.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18814359
I was hoping to hear about Canon implementing leaf shutters in the new R lens protocol. I've been disappointed, so far.

I think HSS kills the need for that for most people.

RDKirk wrote in post #18814370
I think HSS kills the need for that for most people.

HSS = illuminate your shutter curtains and waste your battery charge and lengthen your recycle time.

Leaf shutters are not just for fill flash in the sun, though; it is for reduced jello effect for ambient, too.