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Nov 27, 2018 23:23 |  #1

Is it possible to link the spot metering on the canon 6d mk ii to an af point?

EDIT: The 6d ii manual says that evaluative metering is linked to all af points... I'm assuming this is Canon's way of saying they've got spot metering covered for me..?




  
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Nov 28, 2018 00:13 |  #2

That is a feature which Canon associates only with the 1D-series bodies. You don't find it in the lesser (my term) 5Dn, much less the 'entry ff' model.

Evaluative mode reads metering for all metering zones, and 'gives priority' to the focus zone (but Canon provides poor explanation for what that means..how MUCH priority over the other zones???)


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Nov 28, 2018 05:04 |  #3

They don't tell you exactly how it works, since they consider their evaluative metering algorithm to be proprietary, and as such a trade secret.
A long time ago, when evaluative metering was introduced, Canon claimed that the camera executed a pattern recognition algorithm among the metering zones. They typically had eight zones back then, so not too much to match, but the processors were slower too.
Then they compared that to samples stored in the camera, picked the closest one, checked the exposure setting for that one and used that.

Example: Say that the camera finds a nominal exposure of 1/125 and f/8 to be correct. The evaluative three-zone metering system (just invented for this example) considers the zones to be at levels 0, +1.1 and -2.1. Zero means it's correctly exposed at 1/125 and f/8. In the camera's database, there's an image with 0, +1 and -2. This is close, so the camera checks exposure info for this image and finds that an underexposure of 0.4 gave the best result.
So the camera decides to reduce the exposure, compared to 1/125 with f/8, with 0.4 stops. To you, it will indicate 1/160 f/8, as the display doesn't have more granularity than 1/3 of a stop, but internally it will use 1/172 s, to hit as close as possible.

If they do this in the same way today, when we have 252 metering zones in a 1DX, and Intelligent subject analyzis on top of that, I don't know.

I've found that when I feel the need to resort to spot metering, I frequently also find the need to measure at more than one point. That's also a feature that's available only in the 1D-series. The first camera I had supporting it was the T90, but back then, evaluative metering wasn't introduced yet, so multi-spot was the manual predecessor of evaluative mode.
Anyway, this means that to me, spot metering is frequently a pretty slow way of working anyway, so whether the spot metering is linked to an AF point or not doesn't mean a thing. It's rather easier to have it at the center, so I know where to aim. The multi-spot metering is a process that's better done completely separated from focusing anyway.

I don't know about the rest of you? Do you frequently use a single spot for metering? Don't you get fooled by a small part of the subject having a very great impact then?


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Nov 28, 2018 09:56 |  #4

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Is it possible to link the spot metering on the canon 6d mk ii to an af point?

No

EDIT: The 6d ii manual says that evaluative metering is linked to all af points... I'm assuming this is Canon's way of saying they've got spot metering covered for me..?

As explained above, evaluative is totally different than AF point linked spot metering, and should not be confused. I use Evaluative all of the time now. Spot and partial are no longer of interest to me.

Lastly, I don't pretend to know what is best for you, but I will go out on a limb and assume I know what is best for me. I've been shooting 1D series since the first 1D, and therefore have had access to AF linked spot metering for nearly 20 years, and after extensive experimentation, I found I never had a use for it. I find it's importance vastly over hyped.

Three reasons:
- This is a Digital Camera after all, I get reslts in the field. If I need to get that picky with exposure, I am going to use review/blinkies and histogram anyway. How I meter to get there makes no difference.

- If I REALLY needed to get that picky, then I would invest in a good light meter.

- I'm just not that picky.

But that's just me. Now if we were still shooting film? ;)


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Nov 28, 2018 10:14 |  #5

With my first DSLR, I used to do a lot of spot metering (when noise would easily show in shadows if I wanted to adjust exposure in post). As others have noted about non 1D series Canons: they just have spot metering in the center. It's not hard to target your area of meter with the center, lock exposure, and then compose your image. With the better exposure latitude in current DSLRs, I also tend to just be in evaluative. If I judge evaluative not biasing exposure to my intended subject, using exposure compensation is a quick adjustment.


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Nov 28, 2018 10:53 |  #6

Thanks for all the feedback. Really appreciate the quick responses!




  
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Nov 28, 2018 11:02 |  #7

apersson850 wrote in post #18760057 (external link)
I've found that when I feel the need to resort to spot metering, I frequently also find the need to measure at more than one point. That's also a feature that's available only in the 1D-series. The first camera I had supporting it was the T90, but back then, evaluative metering wasn't introduced yet, so multi-spot was the manual predecessor of evaluative mode.
Anyway, this means that to me, spot metering is frequently a pretty slow way of working anyway, so whether the spot metering is linked to an AF point or not doesn't mean a thing. It's rather easier to have it at the center, so I know where to aim. The multi-spot metering is a process that's better done completely separated from focusing anyway.

I don't know about the rest of you? Do you frequently use a single spot for metering? Don't you get fooled by a small part of the subject having a very great impact then?

Here is the circumstance in which I would use single spot meter at the AF point,,,

IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Evalcard.jpg

Imagine the 18% gray card is an athlete's face (perhaps a shot putter whose arm is extended forward to the right as he hurls the shot) and you want to capture the grimace of effort, so you want metering on his face -- using the AF zone in the left portion of the viewfinder. No need for multizone spot averaging, just use spot metering at the AF poiint with +1EV exposure compensation to account for the brightness of the athlete's Caucasian face. Above, you see Evaluative underexposes even the 18% midtone (although all meters try to record the metered area to mid-tone brightness).

Metering only at AF zone would record it correctly like this...
IMAGE: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Spotoncard.jpg

BTW, I am a very longtime user of the Olympus OM-4 which was the first camera to offer multispot metering. Honestly I have not used mutizone readings to average multiple 'midtone' readings because the objects metered are seldom truly at the midtone Zone V brightness...but I have found very useful the Shadow zone and the Highlight zone so that I can expose the best exposure to capture detail in both zones (or know that it 'will not fit' and can decide where/what to prioritize instead)

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Nov 28, 2018 15:18 |  #8

Sure, examples can always be thought out, where single spot metering would be both sufficient and useful.
Sports I do quite a lot. When I have tasks like the one described, then I typically find a good exposure, while in manual mode, and just keep that. Thus I don't have the need to spot meter more than once (or take some sample photos and adjust until I'm happy), then fire along. So in that case spot metering linked to the AF point isn't too important for me.


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