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Jan 04, 2019 03:38 |  #1

One thing I have never taken any notice of is Focus Points. I only ever use single point focus/focus lock or manual focus. I shot mostly statis objects but also a lot of sport (rugby). I do not seem to miss focus as there are other reasons my shots are poor.

How important are focus points to you?


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Jan 04, 2019 05:29 |  #2

TheLaird wrote in post #18784112 (external link)
One thing I have never taken any notice of is Focus Points. I only ever use single point focus/focus lock or manual focus. I shot mostly statis objects but also a lot of sport (rugby). I do not seem to miss focus as there are other reasons my shots are poor.

How important are focus points to you?

Very important, it's where the camera will actually focus.


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Jan 04, 2019 06:34 |  #3

It's easy to dimiss the importance of focus points, until you have a camera with an enhanced focusing system. I started with the original digital rebel, 40D, 5D, 5DII and I always douns ways to make it work. But it was work and the keeper rate was not particularly high.

Last spring I bought a used 1DIII and it was a revelation, not only were there more points to chose from, but the outer point to were more reliable. Recently I picked up a IDx and it's a focusing miracle. The 61 points means I can select with great precision or I can unleash some pretty amazing multi point options

So if you get the chance to upgrade to a body with advanced focusing options, do it.




  
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Jan 04, 2019 22:36 |  #4

Agree, very important. With modern AF and lenses I can use Al Servo for pretty much everything and take bursts if I'm using a shallow DOF. Especially sports or birding, being able to use an outside focus point and thus position the subject is very nice. Having to use the center point and always cropping, I lost a lot of shots but not getting the composition I had in mind.

I used to shoot rugby with manual focus FD lenses, but my skills and eyesight are not good enough for that anymore.


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Jan 05, 2019 05:24 |  #5

I have 5d3 7d2 etc so they are capable. All I am saying is that is use center point focus only. I know what I want to focus on and re-compose to suit.

Perhaps it takes me a bit longer to do what I want to.

I was only enquiring.


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Jan 05, 2019 09:52 |  #6

Focus re-compose is not the best option and it only works in One Shot. Both cameras are are poor? Maybe some samples with EXIF of your what you think is poor. It could be something else. Same lenses showing poor performance on both bodies? Needs MFA?

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Jan 05, 2019 12:55 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #7

Poor composition mostly. Nothing a camera can fix !!


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Jan 05, 2019 13:47 |  #8

TheLaird wrote in post #18784855 (external link)
I have 5d3 7d2 etc so they are capable. All I am saying is that is use center point focus only. I know what I want to focus on and re-compose to suit.

Perhaps it takes me a bit longer to do what I want to.

I was only enquiring.

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digital paradise wrote in post #18784967 (external link)
Focus re-compose is not the best option and it only works in One Shot. Both cameras are are poor? Maybe some samples with EXIF of your what you think is poor. It could be something else. Same lenses showing poor performance on both bodies? Needs MFA?

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Certainly agree 'not the best option'.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe that so many photographers using SLRs during the 60's thru the late 80's had such suboptimally inferior and unacceptable results with their centered focus aids! ;-)a


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Jan 05, 2019 23:39 |  #10

TheLaird wrote in post #18784855 (external link)
I have 5d3 7d2 etc so they are capable. All I am saying is that is use center point focus only. I know what I want to focus on and re-compose to suit.

Perhaps it takes me a bit longer to do what I want to.

I was only enquiring.


Yes, certainly I didn't mean to be 'aggressive', just saying it is very important to me. You did say that you didn't feel they were necessary for you so we should take your word for that.

I think you will find that for most people they are important, especially once they have used cameras like the 5DIII and 7DII (as opposed to say a 5DII or 6D).


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Jan 05, 2019 23:59 |  #11

Wilt wrote in post #18785285 (external link)
Certainly agree 'not the best option'.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe that so many photographers using SLRs during the 60's thru the late 80's had such suboptimally inferior and unacceptable results with their centered focus aids! ;-)a

Not only that we had to focus everything manually too!


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Jan 06, 2019 00:02 as a reply to  @ graham121's post |  #12

...not to mention, only 2 fps with a motor winder


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Jan 06, 2019 01:31 |  #13

TheLaird wrote in post #18785058 (external link)
Poor composition mostly. Nothing a camera can fix !!

Poor by who's definition? We learn the rules about composition and then we learn how to break them. Your photos are your art. If you don't like what you are doing there are courses and tons of info on the web about composition. Worry about getting the composition and the story the photo is trying to tell. I'll take a slightly OOF shot that is interesting over a sharp boring shot any day.


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Jan 06, 2019 05:03 |  #14

Wilt wrote in post #18785285 (external link)
Certainly agree 'not the best option'.
OTOH, I find it hard to believe that so many photographers using SLRs during the 60's thru the late 80's had such suboptimally inferior and unacceptable results with their centered focus aids! ;-)a

I used cameras of that era. Big bright viewfinders with great focusing screens and lenses with focus rings that were so much better than modern AF lenses.
I prefer the modern bells and whistles but when they fail and I resort to manually focusing I miss the old tech that made MF so easy.


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Jan 06, 2019 06:26 |  #15

john crossley wrote in post #18784160 (external link)
Very important, it's where the camera will actually focus.

- In evaluative/matricial/m​ultizone metering, the focus point(s) do ponderate the metering if ponderation is not - when permitted via options menu - inactivated by user.
- In case, the spot measing zone is possibly attached or not to one focus point, the position of this specific focus point on the frame is not neutral.
- When using flash, flash exposure metering is depending on where the focus point(s) are at the very moment of pressing the shutter release to the end. If you change the composition of your image before taking flash pictures, it's recommanded to memorize the flash metering you did on the main subject.
- In manual focus mode, because of the lack of focus point position in the frame, evaluative/matricial/m​ultizone metering fonction is often replaced by center weight metering...depending of camera.
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