Canon RP feb 14'th?

wow to re-iterate death of APS-C if the price is true, and ouch R users, this reads like practically the same camera

Charlie wrote in post #18810552
wow to re-iterate death of APS-C if the price is true, and ouch R users, this reads like practically the same camera

i'd take an aps-c that shoots 12fps over this...and pay more for it

Charlie wrote in post #18810552
wow to re-iterate death of APS-C if the price is true, and ouch R users, this reads like practically the same camera

If the 6D2 didn't kill the APS C line, this won't either. There is nothing there for a crop body shooter to look at. The M50 kills the camera with 10fps and more density for equiv reach and over 1/2 the cost.

DreDaze wrote in post #18810562
i'd take an aps-c that shoots 12fps over this...and pay more for it

Really?

take into consideration that a new owner is face with these choices

1. EF mount is essentially discontinuing
2. All development is highly focused on the R, RP, and RF lenses
3. Upgrade path of DSLR's is uncertain at this point, and sure, the new RP will be slow, but there's an image quality trade off, and it's only for a limited time. Price point, both aps-c and FF have their own virtues. Knowing that you're buying into a dead end system may not sit well with many folks. EOS-M does not have cross compatibility with the R system at all.
4. Just to be clear, I'm talking about Canon APS-C

oh god, noticed one detail:

LP-E17 battery, what in the world is this shenanegans?

250 battery life, why oh why would Canon do this? The body is nearly the same size as the R, why not just a tiny bit bigger grip and use a real battery?

Because Canon continues to try to differentiate on inconsequential items. It costs nothing more to put in the lpe6 power system.

If anything, this shows how much a markup the EOS R was.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18810633
Because Canon continues to try to differentiate on inconsequential items. It costs nothing more to put in the lpe6 power system.

If anything, this shows how much a markup the EOS R was.

It's bizzare the lengths that Canon would go to cripple a camera. The 5D, 6D, 7D, 70/80D all use LP-E6 right?

seems like they had to skimp battery size to make it work, and that will be painful user experience. 250 using power savings I'm assuming, drops the evf 30fps, not very good in terms of EVF.

1299 was looking like a great bargain, and possibly overpriced on second thought. I think the RX100 had that sort of battery life, was annoying as hell when I borrowed it, had to pass up on purchase due to it.

So from a price point, this is now reaching into the M area, but with full frame. Canon just cut the price on the m5 kit by almost $500. Talk about creating confusion in the market. Now Canon has 4 mounts. EF, EF-S, M and R.... just goofy. They are going to have to consolidate this lineup. Start by making fewer but more capable models. Hopefully they clarify things soon. This is a mess....

Charlie wrote in post #18810581
Really?

take into consideration that a new owner is face with these choices

1. EF mount is essentially discontinuing
2. All development is highly focused on the R, RP, and RF lenses
3. Upgrade path of DSLR's is uncertain at this point, and sure, the new RP will be slow, but there's an image quality trade off, and it's only for a limited time. Price point, both aps-c and FF have their own virtues. Knowing that you're buying into a dead end system may not sit well with many folks. EOS-M does not have cross compatibility with the R system at all.
4. Just to be clear, I'm talking about Canon APS-C

i said i'd...i already have plenty of EF mount lenses...so far nothing in the R appeals to me as a wildlife shooter...if you want to shoot wildlife you're using EF lenses anyways, Fps are ridiculously low on this camera...same as a 30D, that's a joke

Charlie wrote in post #18810552
wow to re-iterate death of APS-C if the price is true, and ouch R users, this reads like practically the same camera

Does it read like the same camera as the EOS R? Or does it read even more so as an RF mount body you haven't tried yet?

I think purchasers of the EOS RP may be even more focused on the bottom dollar than a direct comparison to the EOS R.

Full frame mirrorless bodies that are below and above the $1299 Canon EOS RP.

$798 - Sony a7
$998 - Sony a7 II

$1,299 - Canon EOS RP

$1,798 - Sony a7R II
$1,997 - Nikon Z6

Canon also announced the development of 6 new RF lenses.

With more lenses like these signals Canon’s intent to devote all R&D money solely for RF mount Camera bodies, camera lenses and camera accessories.

If no new EF camera bodies and lenses are announced within the next 17 months then do not expect any EF mount hardware release beyond that time period.

mdvaden wrote in post #18810687
Does it read like the same camera as the EOS R? Or does it read even more so as an RF mount body you haven't tried yet?

I think purchasers of the EOS RP may be even more focused on the bottom dollar than a direct comparison to the EOS R.

This could be the price point at which people using smaller-sensor cameras and think the grass is totally green on the other side "go FF", but I hope those people understand that a larger sensor needs larger and more expensive lenses to get the full FF benefit. Too many people think that a FF sensor is like a larger dish antenna that gets more signal with a given lens, but it is actually a wider canvas that captures a wider scene, and the lens' entrance pupil is the actual analog to the dish antenna.

If you look at the price cuts on the EF stuff on the Sony site... it does paint a picture of EF is dead. Before I wasn't sure there wasn't going to be another DSLR 1D left ... but my guess now is the next 1D will be a 1D R. Give the pros something really to want to upgrade to. Another DSLR version of the 1D would be a waste of development money.

I didn't like the new RP at first, but after watching a couple of reviews, it seems to be the ideal displacement for the old 6D. Sales of the 6D II are abysmal. This may stop that bleeding... maybe.

My only question is, as this camera is aimed at the consumer market, do they really care about full frame? Not sure they do. And the current R lenses are just way too expensive for this camera. So in that sense, its a bit odd. But if your are a current high end consumer body shooter with a few lenses, may make sense.

dolina wrote in post #18810741
..Canon also announced the development of 6 new RF lenses.

With more lenses like these signals Canon’s intent to devote all R&D money solely for RF mount Camera bodies, camera lenses and camera accessories.

If no new EF camera bodies and lenses are announced within the next 17 months then do not expect any EF mount hardware release beyond that time period.

Canon has already announced a while back that they are concentrating on building the RF line for 2019. No new EF/EF-S lenses. If they continue that into 2020, then maybe it's time to proclaim the EF/EF-S as dying.

So RP or R. Both I believe are overpriced, but what differences does the R have that are worth the extra $1000?

That I can see

- 8000th shutter
- bigger and better LCD
- better OLED viewfinder
- Comfortable Rubber piece around viewfinder
- A bit more DSLR like from a dimensions standpoint (overall feel)
- Slightly better battery


Thanks