Canon EOS RP is out! Official!

elitejp wrote in post #18812797
If youre starting off from scratch and for some reason decide to go full frame you certainly will be asking questions on internet boards, from friends from youtube videos. So you will quickly begin to see some glaringly obvious omissions and drawbacks.

If youre already a canon owner and own any recent crop camera and want to move to ff you will see this camera omits things your crop has. Thats why i still see my 6d1 as a very capable camera in canons lineup.

Exactly.

Sony's "older" cameras are cheaper and more full featured.

crofter wrote in post #18812811
Don't then,simple.

Sounds like you'd probably prefer that we don't even discuss the camera too.

Seeing the release of this body. Just makes me feel better about dumping canon last year and moving all to Fuji. They are never going to actually give a camera that is not gimped to hell and back unless it cost $5000+

crofter wrote in post #18812765
You keep going on about the 250 shot capacity when reviewers have reported 500 plus.

CIPA rating is going to be CIPA rating, apples to apples. You think this thing as the battery capacity of the EOS-R?

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18812859
Exactly.

Sony's "older" cameras are cheaper and more full featured.

Sounds like you'd probably prefer that we don't even discuss the camera too.

I'de say that the RP still has a big advantage, 500g vs 650g+ is kind of a noticeable difference, especially if you pair it up with a small prime like the 35 f1.8 vs 35 f1.4.

I currently shoot the 35 f1.4, and I've been looking for a smaller setup the minute I bought it . It's a placeholder lens while sony quits dicking around, and if the price is right, I have little issues picking up another brand/system to get my fill.

I do have a smaller 35 f2.8, which is really special, and hands down my travel choice, but I gotta have some toys, photography/video is my hobby, and I'll buy as I please. The small 250 cipa rated capacity is a tough sell, major firmware issues like silent shooting and video gimping makes it even tougher. It gets to the point that saving a few hundred grams might not be worth it. Will have to consider a battery grip when one is available. And the hope magic lantern fixes the video. I basically have to hedge bets on the camera that these things materialize. With the grip I'm gaining weight and that may defeat the whole purpose, so I'll have to consider that.

Going the R route, I'm losing out on price and size, might as well consider Nikon at that point, they also offer a 35 I want.

Charlie wrote in post #18812866
CIPA rating is going to be CIPA rating, apples to apples. You think this thing as the battery capacity of the EOS-R?

CIPA says 250, real world says 500,you used CIPA to cane the R when it was announced,you were wrong then, you are wrong now.

Charlie wrote in post #18812872
I'de say that the RP still has a big advantage, 500g vs 650g+ is kind of a noticeable difference, especially if you pair it up with a small prime like the 35 f1.8 vs 35 f1.4.

I currently shoot the 35 f1.4, and I've been looking for a smaller setup the minute I bought it . It's a placeholder lens while sony quits dicking around, and if the price is right, I have little issues picking up another brand/system to get my fill.

I do have a smaller 35 f2.8, which is really special, and hands down my travel choice, but I gotta have some toys, photography/video is my hobby, and I'll buy as I please. The small 250 cipa rated capacity is a tough sell, major firmware issues like silent shooting and video gimping makes it even tougher. It gets to the point that saving a few hundred grams might not be worth it. Will have to consider a battery grip when one is available. And the hope magic lantern fixes the video. I basically have to hedge bets on the camera that these things materialize. With the grip I'm gaining weight and that may defeat the whole purpose, so I'll have to consider that.

Going the R route, I'm losing out on price and size, might as well consider Nikon at that point, they also offer a 35 I want.

THis is an honest question...if you like Sony which based on what you list as your gear shows then why would you even be considering the RP? Canon did not make this camera to get people to switch from a Sony R or A9. There was no chance this or any Canon would be attractive to you.

Strick wrote in post #18812886
THis is an honest question...if you like Sony which based on what you list as your gear shows then why would you even be considering the RP? Canon did not make this camera to get people to switch from a Sony R or A9. There was no chance this or any Canon would be attractive to you.

What made you think I'm switching? Am I not allowed to own a Canon? I own a canon mirrorless right now, I just dont list it.

Charlie wrote in post #18812887
What made you think I'm switching? Am I not allowed to own a Canon? I own a canon mirrorless right now, I just dont list it.

I don't care if you switch. You indicated you were happy with with what you had so I asked a question why you would even look at a camera like the RP knowing it would not be something you would want...which you didn't answer. If I had to bet I would say that it is because of the price which is the whole point of this camera in the first place.

Strick wrote in post #18812894
I don't care if you switch. You indicated you were happy with with what you had so I asked a question why you would even look at a camera like the RP knowing it would not be something you would want...which you didn't answer. If I had to bet I would say that it is because of the price which is the whole point of this camera in the first place.

Do you see a 35 f1.8 in my sig?

I mentioned that specifically in my previous post. The A9 + 35 f1.4 is around 1300g. The RP + 35 f1.8 is around 800g, that's a massive difference in weight.

I think this makes for a great travel camera. I picked up a g7xii for travel (before that the g15) but I always like having my dslr too. I can’t expect everything in a 1300 full frame body but I do wish it had the better battery and for that I’m still considering the original r.

I’d like to hear from people who have held both to see if it’s really feels much different. In many ways the r seems small enough coming from a 5d 2 and 7 d2

Tommydigi wrote in post #18812900
I think this makes for a great travel camera. I picked up a g7xii for travel (before that the g15) but I always like having my dslr too. I can’t expect everything in a 1300 full frame body but I do wish it had the better battery and for that I’m still considering the original r.

I’d like to hear from people who have held both to see if it’s really feels much different. In many ways the r seems small enough coming from a 5d 2 and 7 d2

I don't want to get off on too much of a tangent in this thread, but I encourage you to go read the R owners thread. That camera gets a bum rap. If you ever own one, all you'll ever want for is one just like it with more features. Not that it's lacking, IMO. But the future possibilities are greatly increased by the changed and enhanced platform it's built on.

05Xrunner wrote in post #18812862
Seeing the release of this body. Just makes me feel better about dumping canon last year and moving all to Fuji. They are never going to actually give a camera that is not gimped to hell and back unless it cost $5000+

Your momentary feeling of pleasure will be short lived when Canon evolves in the mirrorless world. Do not consider Sony, Canon and Nikon mirrorless because you'll need to "pay to play" $$$$$ with the fresh native lens lineup. Fuji is extremely inexpensive in comparison due to the maturity of the lens lineup vs FRESH lineup of Sony, Canon and NIkon mirrorless FF glass.

I'm extremely pleased that Canon has put a tremendous amount of effort creating the RF glass lineup especially that it has lens stabilization and promise of IBIS. This shows how much they have invested into the mirrorless full frame world. The 5dmk4 performance is not a far stretch when canon updates the mirrorless FF bodies. My Sony A73 already meets or exceeds my Canon 5dmk4 to a degree. Canon will eventually create a worthy FF mirrorless. I'd imagine a serious FF mirrorless Canon body will show up and debut by February 2022 Winter Olympics. In the meantime Canon only trickles a teaser with the EOS R and RP.

The new RF glass lineup will match "our" little fuji lens lineup in no time. The RF line will provide almost every focal length a consumer/Pro wants or needs. The beauty is that the EOS R and RP can adapt EF glass. This is where this allows a different Canon lens lineup to work as native NOT adapting different brands. Complete WIN!! WIN!!

"our" Fuji adaptation to other brands with the fuji body is operational at best for slow/static subjects. This is one reason why I've never put a penny to adapting non native glass to my Fuji system. The newer Sony bodies with metabone or Sigma MC-11 with my Canon glass is above the mark in performance but still not perfect. Native glass is really the only way to go. However if your into using your fuji with vintage manual focus glass that's great for the hobbyist experience.

Fuji is really the "Best bang for the buck" line to get into if you analyze the camera market's apsc and full frame world. If your style and demands do not require high iso capabilities you have chosen the correct system for your personal needs. Fuji does have great IQ but in my case it does not meet my needs when I demand great performance in low light. This is where the EOS R and RP can deliver stills compared to even the flagship Fuji X-t3.

Canon's strategy has always been slow on adding features. My 5dmk4 meets my needs fully so this is fine. Not everyone is into full feature video. In my case fulfilling great video for my casual needs is good enough. If my still photography hardware has the features I need I'm happy. Just so happens my A73 has phenomenal "eye AF" and IBIS over my 5dmk4.

I'm looking forward to Canon FF mirrorless!! Not interested in mirrorless MF Fuji but I'd gladly adopt a high res universal mirrorless FF system for versatility. I'd give some credit that Canon has finally stepped into the FF mirrorless world seriously. It appears Fuji aps-c has hit a plateau for high iso performance. In due time past Nikonians and Canon users will gravitate back to the FF mirrorless world due to better sensor performance. The ones wanting smaller form factor and have more tolerance to noise can use other mirrorless system. This is not being elitist, it's a matter of personal demands and hardware that can provide improvements in sensor performance without sacrificing body performance.

The fact that Fuji will not produce a FF they should produce a GFX 50MP system with the X-t3 performance. Many folks do not need a high res GFX 100MP body. There is a reason why many people are drawing to the latest FF mirrorless systems for more versitility. If Sony, Canon and Nikon FF mirrorless start producing cheaper priced, light weight slower f/2 glass primes in the newer lens mounts this would create a lighter weight small form factor FF mirrorless system. Just you watch it'll draw back some Fuji users to their roots with Canon/Nikon.

Using my super light weight A73 with Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 setup gives me no temptation to buy a Fuji 16-55 with X-t2. Different league in performance. Nikon and Canon FF mirrorless will have so many 3rd party lens makers begging to join the FF mirrorless party.

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18812905
I don't want to get off on too much of a tangent in this thread, but I encourage you to go read the R owners thread. That camera gets a bum rap.

Which R thread are you following then, the one I'm following the people who actually own one and use it regularly love it? As ever it seems the people who have never used one, or people that the camera isn't designed for in the first place, are the ones who pick holes in it.

AlanU wrote in post #18811238
The EOS RP is 1699 CDN. Maybe I should experiment and have some fun. Man US friends only pay $1299 usd.

I'm actually more interested in the Canon RF 15-35 and RF 70-200 f/2.8.

'only pay'...Using current currency exchange rates of Feb.17, 2019, US$1299 = CAN$ 1,719.99 so you should be paying a higher price than $1699

methinks your perceived 'gouging' (if $20 can be perceived to be a 'gouge') is not that grevious... CAN$1699 = US$1282

Charlie wrote in post #18812695
If the RP started at ISO 400 as base, would you buy? That's what they did with video features.

But they didn't start it at 400 ISO .. and the EOS RP will be released for what it is, at the price it's listed, to enter the RF mount path forward as Canon chose. That means your comment still runs in endless circles, whereas Canon's work is putting a tangible product on the shelf in countries all around the world. Meanwhile, Canon is still working on new designs and products.

Seeing every brand and model lacks something, I have no problem anymore buying a couple bodies to fill gaps in my wants.