Canon EOS RP is out! Official!

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18812754
The 5dII was given 24fps through a firmware update back in 2010. Perhaps Canon will see the errors of their way and issue a firmware update to turn it back on here with the RP.

For certain people, that 5D mk ii is a body available new or used now for bargain prices.

welshwizard1971 wrote in post #18812935
Which R thread are you following then, the one I'm following the people who actually own one and use it regularly love it? As ever it seems the people who have never used one, or people that the camera isn't designed for in the first place, are the ones who pick holes in it.

That's exactly what I meant. Come look at our thread being the ones using it and not the talking heads on YT and other places.

Wilt wrote in post #18812936
'only pay'...Using current currency exchange rates, US$1299 = CAN$ 1,719.99

methinks your perceived 'gouging' is actually applied to the Yanks to your south

Wilt it's not a matter of "gouging". Canadians have historically payed more for electronics in my "world". So in other words the $1299USD is more appealing to an american per dollar earned based on the fixed MSRP from Canon USA.

USA the msrp is 1299USD "fixed". A professional's local income wage if "fixed" per individual. Only variable is hours required to work to pay 1299USD.

The fact that USA has a much larger buying power electronics is cheaper.

I just had this conversation regarding this topic with a chartered accountant. Canon MSRP(Canada = $1699, USA = $1299) and your local wage is fixed. The only variable in this simple equation is hours worked. Exchange rate is not part of the equation if you buy local. If you buy local it costs the regular American $400 less. Buying local $1 earned wages equates to exactly $1 in your Country you live in.

This has nothing to do with exchange rate. The MSRP in your country is fixed. This calculation is based on your local purchase....not cross border shopping.

I described this logic with my accountant and he immediately saw transparency in the simple mathematics. The variable in the equation indicates a Canadian has to work more hours to purchase the same exact camera when purchasing locally. In the case of the American buying cross border the local USA price is very close to paying the same price buying it from Canada factoring exchange rate.

If you look at the basic mathematics on my earlier post "buying local" it takes more labour time to buy the same EOS RP camera in Canada.

A person in Australia will pay more for the same exact camera based on local purchase and Canon Australia's MSRP. Exchange rate is not a factor at all when you buy local. The price if fixed by Canon and your local area. Canon has already factored in the cost dealing with the Yen. End user only sees the MSRP locally.

AlanU wrote in post #18812961
Wilt it's not a matter of "gouging". Canadians have historically payed more for electronics in my "world". So in other words the $1299USD is more appealing to an american per dollar earned based on the fixed MSRP from Canon USA.

USA the msrp is 1299USD "fixed". A professional's local income wage if "fixed" per individual. Only variable is hours required to work to pay 1299USD.

The fact that USA has a much larger buying power electronics is cheaper.

I just had this conversation regarding this topic with a chartered accountant. Canon MSRP(Canada = $1699, USA = $1299) and your local wage is fixed. The only variable in this simple equation is hours worked. Exchange rate is not part of the equation if you buy local. If you buy local it costs the regular American $400 less. Buying local $1 earned wages equates to exactly $1 in your Country you live in.

This has nothing to do with exchange rate. The MSRP in your country is fixed. This calculation is based on your local purchase....not cross border shopping.

I described this logic with my accountant and he immediately saw transparency in the simple mathematics. The variable in the equation indicates a Canadian has to work more hours to purchase the same exact camera when purchasing locally. In the case of the American buying cross border the local USA price is very close to paying the same price buying it from Canada factoring exchange rate.

If you look at the basic mathematics on my earlier post "buying local" it takes more labour time to buy the same EOS RP camera in Canada.

A person in Australia will pay more for the same exact camera based on local purchase and Canon Australia's MSRP. Exchange rate is not a factor at all when you buy local. The price if fixed by Canon and your local area. Canon has already factored in the cost dealing with the Yen. End user only sees the MSRP locally.

Didn't I say a few days ago that there were Canadians who don't understand differences in currency?

crofter wrote in post #18812811
Don't buy it then,simple.

(Quote edited for context)
I certainly dont plan on buying it because i already have an entry level ff that was released probably 8 years ago that takes pictures just as good as this new camera. Some even say the new rp isnt even a video camera.

So spending 1300usd for a new camera that my current 0usd(cost to me) camera seems like a lot. So no , i dont see this camera as inexpensive , i see it as very expensive for what it is.

Jump over into other thread discussions about upgrading from one canon to another and you will certainly see the question asked "what is lacking in your current gear that an upgrade is going to fix". Im answering that question for myself and adding other thoughts as well.

Its a forum for crying out loud. People can discuss the pros and cons without being required to buy the camera. This would be a very boring place if the only people allowed to state an opinion were those who think everythings great.

05Xrunner wrote in post #18812862
Seeing the release of this body. Just makes me feel better about dumping canon last year and moving all to Fuji. They are never going to actually give a camera that is not gimped to hell and back unless it cost $5000+

AlanU wrote in post #18812930
Your momentary feeling of pleasure will be short lived when Canon evolves in the mirrorless world. Do not consider Sony, Canon and Nikon mirrorless because you'll need to "pay to play" $$$$$ with the fresh native lens lineup. Fuji is extremely inexpensive in comparison due to the maturity of the lens lineup vs FRESH lineup of Sony, Canon and NIkon mirrorless FF glass. .

Probably wont be too fleeting.
People are guessing that the pro version wont be available until the 2022 olympics which is out of his wanted price range. So then we are looking at when will canon release a mark 2 version of the rp and r? Is a 4 year cycle a good guess.

So xrunner will have enjoyed his fuji and what he sees as a good value for at least 5 years, since he bought into the system a year ago. And then who knows what canon will offer , maybe something great , maybe something not so much.

mdvaden wrote in post #18812943
For certain people, that 5D mk ii is a body available new or used now for bargain prices.

It is so dated now with not so good AF in video, and no flip touch screen. An M50 runs circles around the 5d2 for vloggers.

AlanU wrote in post #18812961
Wilt it's not a matter of "gouging". Canadians have historically payed more for electronics in my "world". So in other words the $1299USD is more appealing to an american per dollar earned based on the fixed MSRP from Canon USA.

USA the msrp is 1299USD "fixed". A professional's local income wage if "fixed" per individual. Only variable is hours required to work to pay 1299USD.

The fact that USA has a much larger buying power electronics is cheaper.

I just had this conversation regarding this topic with a chartered accountant. Canon MSRP(Canada = $1699, USA = $1299) and your local wage is fixed. The only variable in this simple equation is hours worked. Exchange rate is not part of the equation if you buy local. If you buy local it costs the regular American $400 less. Buying local $1 earned wages equates to exactly $1 in your Country you live in.

This has nothing to do with exchange rate. The MSRP in your country is fixed. This calculation is based on your local purchase....not cross border shopping.

I described this logic with my accountant and he immediately saw transparency in the simple mathematics. The variable in the equation indicates a Canadian has to work more hours to purchase the same exact camera when purchasing locally. In the case of the American buying cross border the local USA price is very close to paying the same price buying it from Canada factoring exchange rate.

If you look at the basic mathematics on my earlier post "buying local" it takes more labour time to buy the same EOS RP camera in Canada.

A person in Australia will pay more for the same exact camera based on local purchase and Canon Australia's MSRP. Exchange rate is not a factor at all when you buy local. The price if fixed by Canon and your local area. Canon has already factored in the cost dealing with the Yen. End user only sees the MSRP locally.

Hi Alan,
I see the point of view you have in this. If you look at it from the Mean Income perspective, the median in USA for 2018 was $61822 per annum, while the Canadian median was $71011. So the US MSRP : US median is 2.10%, while the Canadian MSRP : Canadian median is 2.39%. So it does appear that you spend more.
OTOH, you have your Canadian 'socialized' health system which is supported in part by the GST embedded in goods, while the US citizen generally has to fund health insurance premiums out of his/her pocket. So the disposable income of the US citizen to spend on photography equipment is much lower than the indicated median income! (we have the 'grass is greener' perception at play here! )

elitejp wrote in post #18813004
Jump over into other thread discussions about upgrading from one canon to another and you will certainly see the question asked "what is lacking in your current gear that an upgrade is going to fix".

For me, who comes from the background of a full Olympus OM system, my answer about the RP is 'less weigh and less bulk' than my 7DII, but a host of tradeoffs for me (including immediacy of EVF display of moving targets due to slow 60Hz refresh rate) and a fraction of the shots per charge, at the CIPA rating around 250 shots per charge with the LCD and 210 with the EVF.

Wilt wrote in post #18813026
Hi Alan,
I see the point of view you have in this. If you look at it from the Mean Income perspective, the median in USA for 2018 was $61822 per annum, while the Canadian median was $71011. So the US MSRP : US median is 2.10%, while the Canadian MSRP : Canadian median is 2.39%. So it does appear that you spend more.
OTOH, you have your Canadian 'socialized' health system which is supported in part by the GST embedded in goods, while the US citizen generally has to fund health insurance premiums out of his/her pocket. So the disposable income of the US citizen to spend on photography equipment is much lower than the indicated median income! (we have the 'grass is greener' perception at play here! )

Wilt,

I've always admired your thorough explanations in the camera perspective. You really do describe thing to the nth degree!!

My simple math: An example would be registered nurse in US and Canada. Both can easily typically make $80,000 in their local area. The US Nurse can buy a fun EOS RP for $1299USD locally. The CDN Nurse will pay locally $1699 CDN. The US Nurse works 10 "less" hours to purchase the same EOS RP. Can you see this has no reference to exchange currency. The Canadian works 10 hours "more". I'm amazed how many think in typical terms of exchange rate. 1 CDN dollar = 1 dollar in Canada when you purchase in Canada. Canon Canada dictates MSRP so that's also fixed in CDN values. When buying locally $1 = $1 and you take the MSRP as a fixed cost dictated in your local area. There is more buying power in the US due to a much larger population. It it cheaper to buy electronics in the US when they buy local.

My point of view... Wilt you have a beautiful green lawn

Would you agree with this Alan? Says Vancouver is averaged out at 19% cheaper than Los Angeles in cost of living.
https://www.expatistan​.com …son/los-angeles/vancouver?

Although I see you point of view, you need to look as available disposal income not wages.

The RP is a full frame Canon mirrorless for, relatively, a good price. For those who want to shoot some photos on a Canon FF camera it's not a bad option, Canon are obviously considering that. It is typical of Canon to omit many features that have zero cost (software) to give more value to their higher sectioned models. A lot of manufactures do this, to create a gateway in the hope of up-selling down the road while getting the customer to commit to ancillary products, like lenses, helping to keep them system locked. These are deliberate decisions made well before market. It is also very rare to see one worldwide price, even pre tax, as different markets have different costs of business and tax that need to be accounted for.

Also I will, of course disagree with Alan on the Fuji high ISO thing, but if you need to figure that one out go look for 12800iso shots in my gallery. Of course 12800ISO is probably not high anymore & I guess there are those who 'need' no shoot at 56200 a lot, I'm not one happily enough.

AlanU wrote in post #18813055
I've always admired your thorough explanations in the camera perspective. You really do describe thing to the nth degree!!

My simple math: An example would be registered nurse in US and Canada. Both can easily typically make $80,000 in their local area.

Glassdoor shows nurse in Canada earning Can$109000, while it shows nurse in USA earning $69270

US News says Registered Nurses made a median salary of $70,000 in 2017. The best-paid 25 percent made $85,960 that year, while the lowest-paid 25 percent made $57,340.

https://www.livingin-canada.com …or-registered-nurses.html shows According to the latest figures, the highest hourly average (median) wages are earned in Saskatoon / Biggar, Saskatchewan at $45.00 per hour and the lowest average (median) wages are earned in Montreal, Quebec at $31.00 per hour.
A typical full-time annual salary for this occupation is in the region of $65,000 – $85,000.

Would you all take the currency exchange discussions elsewhere. Some of us could less than give a crap. Please and thank you.

Currency conversion only entered ONE post...pretty equal pricing. A US citizen does not make out far better by buying from Canadian store, and vice versal.

The rest are posts about relative affordability of a camera to different populations, having nothing to do with equivalency of currency.

elitejp wrote in post #18813004
Its a forum for crying out loud. People can discuss the pros and cons without being required to buy the camera. This would be a very boring place if the only people allowed to state an opinion were those who think everythings great.

And it's discouraging when a person merely mentions, in this thread and others, what they perceive as a shortcoming and they get called a troll, or are told, “don't buy it then, it's obviously not meant for you, blah, blah, blah”.
When someone critiques a piece of gear, they are NOT automatically saying it's worthless, no one should buy it, or that they're a fool if they do.