Canon EOS RP is out! Official!

Trout Bum wrote in post #18813116
And it's discouraging when a person merely mentions, in this thread and others, what they perceive as a shortcoming and they get called a troll, or are told, “don't buy it then, it's obviously not meant for you, blah, blah, blah”.
When someone critiques a piece of gear, they are NOT automatically saying it's worthless, no one should buy it, or that they're a fool if they do.

I have for the most part, been enjoying reading this thread. I do see the point of over comparing Canada vs U.S. getting off the beaten path here, and it does get a wee bit over the top. Basic pricing is OK, but me personally, I'm more interested in hearing the actual pro's & con's of the camera, than a debate about who pays more or less for it.
Thanks guys n gals.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18813017
It is so dated now with not so good AF in video, and no flip touch screen. An M50 runs circles around the 5d2 for vloggers.

That's the simplicity of "certain" people noted in my posted comment. Vloggers are not those certain people. Not a huge deal, but someone wanting two cards in a body would be among the certain people, and maybe someone wanting full frame for $600 to $800 with low shutter count. And maybe someone who doesn't want a tiny camera body. I used to have 2 x 5D mk ii and could still get some excellent photos with those if needed.

Thinking back a couple years, I wish I had refrained from selling one of my two 5D mk ii since the shutter count was around 10,000 and almost not a mark on the body or screen.

I love my 5d2

Tommydigi wrote in post #18813146
I love my 5d2

now we're talking
Me 2

Trout Bum wrote in post #18813116
And it's discouraging when a person merely mentions, in this thread and others, what they perceive as a shortcoming and they get called a troll, or are told, “don't buy it then, it's obviously not meant for you, blah, blah, blah”.
When someone critiques a piece of gear, they are NOT automatically saying it's worthless, no one should buy it, or that they're a fool if they do.

I bought an R but have found that does not even exclude me from criticism if I post anything but praise for the R.
We need two threads for each camera. eg:

EOS-RP - Discuss
and
EOS-RP - Worship Only

DigitalTuned wrote in post #18813169
now we're talking
Me 2

Mine was replaced by the 6D as soon as the 6D came out, because the banding noise of the 5D2 really limited it in non-ideal lighting. I did miss the joystick, though, and 1/8000 on a couple of rare occasions (f/1.4 in Av mode).

AlanU wrote in post #18812930
Your momentary feeling of pleasure will be short lived when Canon evolves in the mirrorless world. Do not consider Sony, Canon and Nikon mirrorless because you'll need to "pay to play" $$$$$ with the fresh native lens lineup. Fuji is extremely inexpensive in comparison due to the maturity of the lens lineup vs FRESH lineup of Sony, Canon and NIkon mirrorless FF glass.

I'm extremely pleased that Canon has put a tremendous amount of effort creating the RF glass lineup especially that it has lens stabilization and promise of IBIS. This shows how much they have invested into the mirrorless full frame world. The 5dmk4 performance is not a far stretch when canon updates the mirrorless FF bodies. My Sony A73 already meets or exceeds my Canon 5dmk4 to a degree. Canon will eventually create a worthy FF mirrorless. I'd imagine a serious FF mirrorless Canon body will show up and debut by February 2022 Winter Olympics. In the meantime Canon only trickles a teaser with the EOS R and RP.

The new RF glass lineup will match "our" little fuji lens lineup in no time. The RF line will provide almost every focal length a consumer/Pro wants or needs. The beauty is that the EOS R and RP can adapt EF glass. This is where this allows a different Canon lens lineup to work as native NOT adapting different brands. Complete WIN!! WIN!!

"our" Fuji adaptation to other brands with the fuji body is operational at best for slow/static subjects. This is one reason why I've never put a penny to adapting non native glass to my Fuji system. The newer Sony bodies with metabone or Sigma MC-11 with my Canon glass is above the mark in performance but still not perfect. Native glass is really the only way to go. However if your into using your fuji with vintage manual focus glass that's great for the hobbyist experience.

Fuji is really the "Best bang for the buck" line to get into if you analyze the camera market's apsc and full frame world. If your style and demands do not require high iso capabilities you have chosen the correct system for your personal needs. Fuji does have great IQ but in my case it does not meet my needs when I demand great performance in low light. This is where the EOS R and RP can deliver stills compared to even the flagship Fuji X-t3.

Canon's strategy has always been slow on adding features. My 5dmk4 meets my needs fully so this is fine. Not everyone is into full feature video. In my case fulfilling great video for my casual needs is good enough. If my still photography hardware has the features I need I'm happy. Just so happens my A73 has phenomenal "eye AF" and IBIS over my 5dmk4.

I'm looking forward to Canon FF mirrorless!! Not interested in mirrorless MF Fuji but I'd gladly adopt a high res universal mirrorless FF system for versatility. I'd give some credit that Canon has finally stepped into the FF mirrorless world seriously. It appears Fuji aps-c has hit a plateau for high iso performance. In due time past Nikonians and Canon users will gravitate back to the FF mirrorless world due to better sensor performance. The ones wanting smaller form factor and have more tolerance to noise can use other mirrorless system. This is not being elitist, it's a matter of personal demands and hardware that can provide improvements in sensor performance without sacrificing body performance.

The fact that Fuji will not produce a FF they should produce a GFX 50MP system with the X-t3 performance. Many folks do not need a high res GFX 100MP body. There is a reason why many people are drawing to the latest FF mirrorless systems for more versitility. If Sony, Canon and Nikon FF mirrorless start producing cheaper priced, light weight slower f/2 glass primes in the newer lens mounts this would create a lighter weight small form factor FF mirrorless system. Just you watch it'll draw back some Fuji users to their roots with Canon/Nikon.

Using my super light weight A73 with Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 setup gives me no temptation to buy a Fuji 16-55 with X-t2. Different league in performance. Nikon and Canon FF mirrorless will have so many 3rd party lens makers begging to join the FF mirrorless party.

Just a heads up. Dont reply to my post since I have you blocked from tired of reading your junk. So your wasting your time.
I can careless what Canon or Nikon does. I wont ever go back and perfectly happy with what the fuji can do and offers. I wouldnt care if those lenses canon released where as cheap as fuji. I cant stand the size and would never go back to big bloated gear that makes it looks like I am compensating for something else.

Choderboy wrote in post #18813428
I bought an R but have found that does not even exclude me from criticism if I post anything but praise for the R.
We need two threads for each camera. eg:

EOS-RP - Discuss
and
EOS-RP - Worship Only

I would read the owners thread and see them sarcastically joking about how terrible a camera tge R is and how it couldnt possibly take a good picture. The 6d thread was similar in people would post pics of sports or bif and joke how the 6d couldnt possibly have taken such pictures. These are already good cameras but that doesnt mean that they are the easiest to use in certain situations. There is nothing wrong with stating those shortcomings. I dont know why some people pretend like everything perfect.

Cameras nowadays from every brand already are extremely good. Im sure the rp will also have great iq, but i dont think that is enough to stay competitive in the market. You really need to look at what else it can offer. You may not shoot video now but what about next year or tge year after. I dont just buy what i need for today i try to buy with the idea of what i will need in the future because thats when i will be using it. Hopefully that made sense

Love what Canon is doing minus the arbitrary software crippling.

More flippy screens.
More robust video including 4K and C-Log.
IBIS!!!

I am also stoked for that 15-35 2.8 IS lens. It'll probably be the king of vlog lenses.

Why would you want to use 1080p with any EF-S lenses? This is a full frame camera and it has full sensor readout in 1080p, right? Wouldnt EF-S lenses vignette something fierce on this?? Sorry if I am missing something...

elitejp wrote in post #18813503
I would read the owners thread and see them sarcastically joking about how terrible a camera tge R is and how it couldnt possibly take a good picture. The 6d thread was similar in people would post pics of sports or bif and joke how the 6d couldnt possibly have taken such pictures. These are already good cameras but that doesnt mean that they are the easiest to use in certain situations. There is nothing wrong with stating those shortcomings. I dont know why some people pretend like everything perfect.

Some people get their egos tangled up with their tools, especially recently-purchased ones. They look for confirmation bias that they are not a fool for buying the product, and shun anything that suggests there are any significant negatives beyond a few standard "admissions", and look for any reason to discount what such a person says. I do not understand that. When someone sees me with a piece of gear I am using, and asks how I like it, I don't hold back on negatives, but I explain why I think it is the best compromise for what I want to do.

Some people don't seem capable of seeing a product as list of pros and cons, but like to picture a binary both-thumbs-up or -down, and feel threatened by things that mount towards a "down" even if they are not relevant to that person's usage. Why should someone who shoots in perfect studio lighting and exposure or shoots meticulously like slide film care about a camera not having great DR? It still will bother some to hear that mentioned, and they complain that people are "harping" on the fact, as if it should remain a secret, and people who do need the highest possible DR should buy the wrong product for themselves.

HyperCams wrote in post #18813534
Why would you want to use 1080p with any EF-S lenses? This is a full frame camera and it has full sensor readout in 1080p, right? Wouldnt EF-S lenses vignette something fierce on this?? Sorry if I am missing something...

Have you ever heard of line-skipping? It greatly increases aliasing, and is how the less expensive Canons do full-sensor video. A crop mode could reduce the aliasing.

HyperCams wrote in post #18813534
Why would you want to use 1080p with any EF-S lenses? This is a full frame camera and it has full sensor readout in 1080p, right? Wouldnt EF-S lenses vignette something fierce on this?? Sorry if I am missing something...

Not my thing either, but this is a new system and needs to adapt to get by.

Smaller video lens, sometimes you WANT the crop, and that should be up to the user rather than a limitation.

05Xrunner wrote in post #18813477
Just a heads up. Dont reply to my post since I have you blocked from tired of reading your junk. So your wasting your time.
I can careless what Canon or Nikon does. I wont ever go back and perfectly happy with what the fuji can do and offers. I wouldn't care if those lenses canon released where as cheap as fuji. I cant stand the size and would never go back to big bloated gear that makes it looks like I am compensating for something else.

I happily contribute to this thread as I will be a potential customer in the very near future in Canon FF mirrorless. I will post as I please as others can discuss further in Canon's mirrorless FF world. If you "careless" of Canon's evolution to FF mirrorless why even post in a Canon thread. TMK I'd imagine the moderator can consider you as a TROLL not even owning Canon gear and imply you careless about Canon. Your personal comments can be left in the Fuji forums.

The new stepping stone has been laid out in Canon's lens lineup agenda. The RF glass looks to be an incredible lineup of useful focal lengths. The fact that there is alot of image stabilization in the lenses and soon to be IBIS in the Canon Full frame mirrorless is seriously amazing.

What is interesting is the RF glass lineup appears to be full on pro glass though. This seems to be a bold jump for gear investment $$ for a soccer mom/dad or casual shooter....don't you think?

I still almost forecast something up Canon's sleeves for the winter 2022 Olympics. Even Canon being slow as they are I would imagine some push for a big advertising event.

elitejp wrote in post #18813503
I would read the owners thread and see them sarcastically joking about how terrible a camera tge R is and how it couldnt possibly take a good picture. The 6d thread was similar in people would post pics of sports or bif and joke how the 6d couldnt possibly have taken such pictures. These are already good cameras but that doesnt mean that they are the easiest to use in certain situations. There is nothing wrong with stating those shortcomings. I dont know why some people pretend like everything perfect.

Cameras nowadays from every brand already are extremely good. Im sure the rp will also have great iq, but i dont think that is enough to stay competitive in the market. You really need to look at what else it can offer. You may not shoot video now but what about next year or tge year after. I dont just buy what i need for today i try to buy with the idea of what i will need in the future because thats when i will be using it. Hopefully that made sense

Logical thought process!

I think we all try to make do with the hardware we own.

The EOS RP does bring out the discussion of Canon's slow release in features. Any Canon owner knows the nature of Canon's slooooooowwww releases. I'm extremely happy with my 5dmk4. No joking here but I really am waiting for the EOS R with dual cards and more responsive body performance. The confidence is quite strong and solid now after seeing the lens lineup that'll hit the streets soon.

The casual needs in video features can be easily performed with many camera's these days.