Canon EOS RP is out! Official!

Cuttlefish wrote in post #18813868
I doubt it is not too difficult to change a battery.
I am an amateur and very seldom shoot more than 250 shots a day and, if I did, changing a battery is not that much of a problem.
I am looking forward to getting this camera as I have been using a 7D for many years and have not bought any EF-S lenses since I got the kit.
Even the EOS-R was too expensive for me with a young family and it seems a good time to get into FF at this price.

my issue with the battery is more of Canon breaking precedent. They went out of their way to give this camera a battery they have NEVER put in a full frame camera. I've never seen a FF camera of any kind with this sort of battery life, and they are breaking ground with that. Heck, my initial thoughts was that the camera was a great deal..... until the battery situation caught me off guard. I believe the EOS-M is rated the same, horrible battery life.

Tommydigi wrote in post #18813862
I find it odd that they give you a grip with the only purpose to make the camera larger. Isn't one of the main draws to mirrorless the smaller size and less bulk?

One question about the sensor, I've been reading the RP is basically a 6d2 while the R is a 5d4? Is that confirmed?

That is the same thing as the Sony, you can buy a nearly $100 piece of metal to give your pinkie a rest. That is exactly what this $80 grip will do, it will give you a pinkie a place to lay its head.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18813880
Just like the LPE6 lasting longer than the documented Canon life by 2 or 3x, I fully suspect that the SL2 battery will last longer than what is being documented by Canon, but not as much. The battery is very small, and probably has about 30% less capacity than the LPE6. I suspect the RP will last about 400 or so shots with normal shooting and average chimping.

I have no doubt it can last that long, and expect it to. My issue has to do with being unexpected small battery that breaks convention, no other full frame has that battery.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18813882
That is the same thing as the Sony, you can buy a nearly $100 piece of metal to give your pinkie a rest. That is exactly what this $80 grip will do, it will give you a pinkie a place to lay its head.

Pre-orders include the grip and standard adapter if you're in the market for an RP.

Charlie wrote in post #18813883
I have no doubt it can last that long, and expect it to. My issue has to do with being unexpected small battery that breaks convention, no other full frame has that battery.

Sure, but I can see the areas in hardware where they cut down on costs.

In making the RP, they did the following:

- made the camera smaller and in doing so, they made the battery compartment smaller and serve double duty like the M series and even rebels.
- no dust shield
- no top display
- no slide bar
- used the M50 LCD and EVF
- used the 6D2 sensor (or variant)

The other things in software are inconsequential to costs, so I won't hash them here. I wish they had instead used the M50 battery. They used the M3 and several rebels battery and that is unfortunate in my case. I wouldn't want to juggle so many different batteries. The batteries are very small though, about 2 will fit in the same space as an LPE6, and they are very, very cheap, so it isn't a completely hopeless case.

davinci953 wrote in post #18813888
Pre-orders include the grip and standard adapter if you're in the market for an RP.

Yes I know, the question is once the preorder special is over and we are about 3 months into the release, will the camera price drop accordingly? If I had to buy one of the two mirrorless from Canon, it would be the RP, sure it gives up some things to the R, but the price delta more than makes up for it, about twice the discount in my book when I value the differences.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18813896
Yes I know, the question is once the preorder special is over and we are about 3 months into the release, will the camera price drop accordingly? If I had to buy one of the two mirrorless from Canon, it would be the RP, sure it gives up some things to the R, but the price delta more than makes up for it, about twice the discount in my book when I value the differences.

I suppose the free accessories will vanish at some point, and then return later in the year. It's hard to say how much the price will drop after the initial rollout. I don't have any plans to purchase either the R or RP, but I am interested in Canon's mirrorless line as it develops beyond the R and RP. The RF lenses definitely perked my interest.

Charlie wrote in post #18813883
I have no doubt it can last that long, and expect it to. My issue has to do with being unexpected small battery that breaks convention, no other full frame has that battery.

We all have witnessed other Canon product differentiation on the basis of something that stratifies the product as 'less professional' or 'less desirable'.

Companies do some odd things trying to stratify products, like cheaper hotels in the lineup giving away wi-fi in the room price, while the expensive brand charges $12 per day more than the already more expensive room costs, extra for wi-fi.

Charlie wrote in post #18813883
I have no doubt it can last that long, and expect it to. My issue has to do with being unexpected small battery that breaks convention, no other full frame has that battery.

Maybe not from Canon, but did you ever meet any of the Sony lineup prior to the 7III series?

Charlie wrote in post #18813881
my issue with the battery is more of Canon breaking precedent. They went out of their way to give this camera a battery they have NEVER put in a full frame camera. I've never seen a FF camera of any kind with this sort of battery life, and they are breaking ground with that. ...

I thought about this for a little while, at first wondering what FF has to do with which battery is in the camera.

But thought's being what they are, I went back in my tiny little vault of a brain and recollection informed me that you basic premise is incorrect.

Canon has done exactly this before.

At one time, all of Canon's Full Frame offerings were equipped with the fully pro, charge it on Sunday and shoot all week LP-E4 or NP-E3. These FF bodies cost $7K.

When Canon decided to create a new market, a market for affordable FF DSLR, they put the lowly BP-511 that inhabited the D30, D60 and 10D "consumer" cameras into the 5D.

The Precedent was set back in 2006.

Now Canon is releasing their first ultra portable and ultra thrifty FF, so it stands to reason it will have a similar battery.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18813882
That is the same thing as the Sony, you can buy a nearly $100 piece of metal to give your pinkie a rest. That is exactly what this $80 grip will do, it will give you a pinkie a place to lay its head.

wait for cheap chinese L bracket, and use the bottom portion only, cost $20 and has real functionality doubling as a tripod mount.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18813891
Sure, but I can see the areas in hardware where they cut down on costs.

In making the RP, they did the following:

- made the camera smaller and in doing so, they made the battery compartment smaller and serve double duty like the M series and even rebels.
- no dust shield
- no top display
- no slide bar
- used the M50 LCD and EVF
- used the 6D2 sensor (or variant)

The other things in software are inconsequential to costs, so I won't hash them here. I wish they had instead used the M50 battery. They used the M3 and several rebels battery and that is unfortunate in my case. I wouldn't want to juggle so many different batteries. The batteries are very small though, about 2 will fit in the same space as an LPE6, and they are very, very cheap, so it isn't a completely hopeless case.

Wilt wrote in post #18813908
We all have witnessed other Canon product differentiation on the basis of something that stratifies the product as 'less professional' or 'less desirable'.

Companies do some odd things trying to stratify products, like cheaper hotels in the lineup giving away wi-fi in the room price, while the expensive brand charges $12 per day more than the already more expensive room costs, extra for wi-fi.

See teamspeeds post, I expected canon to differentiate. I just was not expecting them to break conventions. They swapped out the battery, never have I seen this battery on any of their full frame cameras.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18813924
When Canon decided to create a new market, a market for affordable FF DSLR, they put the lowly BP-511 that inhabited the D30, D60 and 10D "consumer" cameras into the 5D.

I liked the 511, 511a, and the 512 battery packs, but then again, I liked that the cameras all took compact flash memory cards as well. I could keep the same cards and batteries in my bag for all three cameras. 10D, 5Dc, and G5. They broke my heart when they went away from that formula.
Cameras to me are not disposable throwaways. They should last a while.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18813924
I thought about this for a little while, at first wondering what FF has to do with which battery is in the camera.

But thought's being what they are, I went back in my tiny little vault of a brain and recollection informed me that you basic premise is incorrect.

Canon has done exactly this before.

At one time, all of Canon's Full Frame offerings were equipped with the fully pro, charge it on Sunday and shoot all week LP-E4 or NP-E3. These FF bodies cost $7K.

When Canon decided to create a new market, a market for affordable FF DSLR, they put the lowly BP-511 that inhabited the D30, D60 and 10D "consumer" cameras into the 5D.

The Precedent was set back in 2006.

Now Canon is releasing their first ultra portable and ultra thrifty FF, so it stands to reason it will have a similar battery.

your memory predates my FF shooting experience and I say you're right. I was simply going by the 5D and newer category. I guess in that respect, Canon is playing a really old card that they've played before 13 years ago.

Charlie wrote in post #18813932
wait for cheap chinese L bracket, and use the bottom portion only, cost $20 and has real functionality doubling as a tripod mount.

See teamspeeds post, I expected canon to differentiate. I just was not expecting them to break conventions. They swapped out the battery, never have I seen this battery on any of their full frame cameras.

Have you ever seen them make a budget FF mirrorless before? That makes 2 firsts then.

Let me get this straight. Somebody who buys a DSLR - you know, the type of camera you buy when you want to be able to swap lenses - and therefore might work with a bag slung over their shoulder in which they have one, two or even more lenses, plus maybe a flashgun, says they're not prepared to carry an extra battery or two around which weigh the square root of bugger all?

The battery in question is definitely of small capacity, but it is also physically small, small enough you could slip one into a shirt pocket and forget it's there.

Nah. Honestly?

FWIW, I have never bothered with a grip even when shooting sports and weddings. I have only rarely had to swap a battery 'on the run' and it was such an easy and quick thing to do, I didn't bother with the extra bulk and weight of a grip. Mind you, I did develop a rather complicated but clever procedure to ensure I didn't run out of battery at a crucial time. What I did was, every now and then, in quiet moments, I would look at the little blinky battery thingy in the LCD. This would tell me when a battery was getting low and I would swap it out. Genius!

Seriously though, even if I wanted to just go out with this lovely little DSLR and a single, lightweight lens, these batteries are so small it would be no problem at all to slip one in a pocket.