Canon EOS RP is out! Official!

Charlie wrote in post #18813776
When was the last time you used a camera with a 250 shot capacity rating?

prepare to be shocked, the 5D batteries will feel like they last an eternity comparatively. You dont need your hands on the camera to figure that out.

with all this battery shot capacity talk...i gotta ask...do you just use 1 battery on your current camera?

I have no issue with someone feeling that 250 shots per charge is too few.

I used to shoot exclusively with the 1D series, and the 3 and 4 could offer me over 2K shots on a single charge.

Looks like with the new Canon mirrorless offerings, Canon is shooting to again, (like with DSLR) have at least one camera line to fit everybody's needs. This one is for those that want FF cheap and ultra portable. I think of what we were just paying for a Fuji XT1 fairly recently,. I'd be really happy to actually get 250 shots on that pitiful little battery, and I'm pretty sure it is heavier than the RP. Not FF of course.

Oh and those pro bodies with the multi K shots? Try comparing size and weight with the 1D3-1Dx!
Heck, the battery on my 1D MkII weighs more than the EOS RP!

Anyway, There is the R with larger battery and the option for a dual battery grip,. and I am sure soon more options. Maybe one will actually be a wholly new camera soon (ie: with a new improved sensor for real, not just "Canon talk" version of "Entirely New Sensor")

Spencerphoto wrote in post #18813998
Let me get this straight. Somebody who buys a DSLR - you know, the type of camera you buy when you want to be able to swap lenses - and therefore might work with a bag slung over their shoulder in which they have one, two or even more lenses, plus maybe a flashgun, says they're not prepared to carry an extra battery or two around which weigh the square root of bugger all?

The battery in question is definitely of small capacity, but it is also physically small, small enough you could slip one into a shirt pocket and forget it's there.

Nah. Honestly?

FWIW, I have never bothered with a grip even when shooting sports and weddings. I have only rarely had to swap a battery 'on the run' and it was such an easy and quick thing to do, I didn't bother with the extra bulk and weight of a grip. Mind you, I did develop a rather complicated but clever procedure to ensure I didn't run out of battery at a crucial time. What I did was, every now and then, in quiet moments, I would look at the little blinky battery thingy in the LCD. This would tell me when a battery was getting low and I would swap it out. Genius!

Seriously though, even if I wanted to just go out with this lovely little DSLR and a single, lightweight lens, these batteries are so small it would be no problem at all to slip one in a pocket.

DreDaze wrote in post #18814008
with all this battery shot capacity talk...i gotta ask...do you just use 1 battery on your current camera?

Mirrorless has changed me, I'm extremely minimal for the majority of my shooting. I dont carry extra cards or batteries. If I'm travelling, I may carry an extra battery, but that's it.

between my two main cameras, I have 1 extra.

my eos-m only a single battery

I dont use a shoulder strap and carry an extremely compact system, the bag on the left is my daily carry, it loops on my belt, camera, lens, wrist strap. Doesnt have any pockets aside from the main compartment, no shoulder strap. Yes, that bag fits camera and 1 pancake or smallish lens.

Second photo is my configuration when I run multiple lenses, size is a pretty big deal as far as I'm concerned. I'm not expecting the RP to be a 1Dx or anything, but was hoping for at least 350 CIPA, which would translate probably to 700-800 practical images. I can snap off 5000 images on the sony on a single charge, however I'm not expecting the same, I just want something a little more usable.

Charlie wrote in post #18813881
my issue with the battery is more of Canon breaking precedent. They went out of their way to give this camera a battery they have NEVER put in a full frame camera. I've never seen a FF camera of any kind with this sort of battery life, and they are breaking ground with that. Heck, my initial thoughts was that the camera was a great deal..... until the battery situation caught me off guard. I believe the EOS-M is rated the same, horrible battery life.

For me, the small battery size is not a problem because of the excellent price point of this new camera.

Battery isnt an issue for me either. I can do something about batteries. I cant do anything about a reused sensor or low fps etc. Sony users during the m2 era also took a lot of heat about battery life from canon dslr owners and they said the same thing, carry more batteries, it takes 10seconds to change etc etc, while canon owners would say that its impossible to shoot with such bad battery life.
But i will also say this sony owners were all very excited when the 3rd generation cameras came out with better batteries and im sure canon mirrorless owners will feel the same when canon ups its battery game.

elitejp wrote in post #18814091
Battery isnt an issue for me either. I can do something about batteries. I cant do anything about a reused sensor or low fps etc. Sony users during the m2 era also took a lot of heat about battery life from canon dslr owners and they said the same thing, carry more batteries, it takes 10seconds to change etc etc, while canon owners would say that its impossible to shoot with such bad battery life.
But i will also say this sony owners were all very excited when the 3rd generation cameras came out with better batteries and im sure canon mirrorless owners will feel the same when canon ups its battery game.

Sony batteries in that era have nearly the same rating as the R, however the actual capacity is only that of the RP. RP rating is really poor!

Im not saying it isnt poor but at least you have options that you as a customer can fix.

Charlie wrote in post #18814034
... I can snap off 5000 images on the sony on a single charge ...

Which, though impressive, is totally unnecessary. How many times would you shoot 5000 images in one day? I'm guessing never, in which case you presumably do what all well-organised photogs do and put that semi-discharged battery on charge before you use it again.

So, for me, the capacity of the battery should match the typical use of the camera. When I shoot sports, I generally come home with around 300 - 400 shots per day, across two bodies. That's 150 - 200, per body, per day.

On that basis, even this camera/battery would suffice.

I'll be keeping an eye on this camera just out of interest, because I think it would be great if Canon were to develop a range of small, light zoom lenses with decent IQ, in proportion with this 'compact FF DSLR'. With arthritis becoming an ever more troublesome problem for me, a system like that might give me a few more years of shooting DSLR.

Tommydigi wrote in post #18813874
I don't know that much about the 6d2 but what is the big issue? I only heard that the dynamic range was not so great?

The 6D2 sensor has more noise in the shadows than the 6D at all ISOs, worse than the DR would suggest, because the 6D2 has 1/3 stop more highlight headroom in the RAWs, and the 6D2 has more banding noise in the shadows at base ISO, much like older cameras like the 5D2. At ISOs in the neighborhood of 6400 and higher, the higher noise of the 6D2 moves up out of the shadows and into all tones.

In the medium and low ISOs, however, the 6D2 is cleaner in the brighter tones. One way to say this is that the 6D2 has more pre-gain and post-gain read noise, and the post-gain read noise ("low ISO") is more banded, but the photon noise is a little lower.

I think the video issue around the removal of cinematic 24fps is going to impact sales numbers more than the battery life, IMO. People buying this particular camera are probably not going to be so concerned about battery life as other things.

davinci953 wrote in post #18813888
Pre-orders include the grip and standard adapter if you're in the market for an RP.

AFAIK for the UK, the EF adapter is included with the camera but not the grip unfortunately

Cuttlefish wrote in post #18814252
AFAIK for the UK, the EF adapter is included with the camera but not the grip unfortunately

Would you concede that if we weren't having this conversation about 24p, we'd be having the same conversation about 1080p/120, 720p/120 or 4k/60? Even if it had all that, people would be complaining that they left out 4k/120. It just never ends.

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18814258
Would you concede that if we weren't having this conversation about 24p, we'd be having the same conversation about 1080p/120, 720p/120 or 4k/60? Even if it had all that, people would be complaining that they left out 4k/120. It just never ends.

Simply not true... 24fps is a cinematic standard and was one of the main reasons for the 5d2 succuss in the video space. Not everyone needs slo mo video, but do want 24fps.

Video shooters understand this, non-video shooters don't and make comments like "you have 30fps why do you need 24fps" or "24fps is just as important as 60 or 120fps, right?".

Some education on the matter (for those not familiar):

https://www.premiumbea​t.com …ooting-cinematic-footage/
https://www.redsharkne​ws.com …he-gold-standard-for-film

That being said, if the RP has a jarring effect at 24fps (ie. the camera just isn't technically good for 24fps), then one would shoot in 30fps to clean up the video to reduce that jarring rolling shutter effect. That could be the situation here, but let's see if Canon backs off this dumbing down on video and issues an update to provide 24fps. If they don't then they probably know it wouldn't be good at 24fps.

Leaving this kind of standard out of the camera is much like configuring ISO 100 out of the camera, or restricting the max shutter speed to 1/2000th, it prevents use of the camera across a pretty wide range of users, or it causes shooters to employ needless hacks to work around the restrictions.

For now it seems, the best Canon for vloggers under the $1500 mark is the SL2 and M50. I am sure many were hoping the RP would be the new kid on the block but with those specs, video shooters will have to look to these other cameras.

The battery choice is disappointing, but it only causes a mild irritant, so it doesn't create the same hubbub on the internet. I would say that if the camera could have been slightly redesigned to use the LPE6 and had 24fps, it would have made a bigger splash.

Do people really think videographers make up a meaningful percentage of sales or potential sales?

They're noisy, for sure - people go to youtube for reviews and all they seem to get are people **** about video functionality, because naturally those reviewers care about video - but most buyers shoot 99% stills. My last couple of SLRs have been able to shoot video but I never bothered beyond an initial test for my curiosity. I'm more likely to make a video from timelapse than an actual video.

Either the RP does what a still photographer wants and they'll buy it, or like me there are some still shooting limitations that'll put me off and make me wait for the next generation. I hope people buy it, that the RF-mount takes off with third parties included, so that it's a nice mature system when I jump on board.

phreeky wrote in post #18814266
Do people really think videographers make up a meaningful percentage of sales or potential sales?

They're noisy, for sure - people go to youtube for reviews and all they seem to get are people **** about video functionality, because naturally those reviewers care about video - but most buyers shoot 99% stills. My last couple of SLRs have been able to shoot video but I never bothered beyond an initial test for my curiosity. I'm more likely to make a video from timelapse than an actual video.

Either the RP does what a still photographer wants and they'll buy it, or like me there are some still shooting limitations that'll put me off and make me wait for the next generation. I hope people buy it, that the RF-mount takes off with third parties included, so that it's a nice mature system when I jump on board.

They absolutely do. Vlogging is gaining steam faster than still shooters. One of the main reasons the M50 is so well loved and sales are high are due to vlogging. If you are charismatic and can do video editing, then vlogging on about any topic is a surefire way to a continued revenue stream over still photography.

I think your stats on still photography is way off. Even in the sporting event offices, they want more video clips than stills. I have been asked multiple times whether I could shoot video too. I know that is an ever increasing thing with wedding gigs too, along a myriad of other events. Facebook, the smart phone, and Youtube have created a video frenzy.

Even in the business space, it is recognized that video is one of the profit leaders. https://optinmonster.c​om …stics-what-you-must-know/ Product and services stills are okay, but its video that sells. For the home body, the RP will be fine for video, for somebody wanting to make money with video, perhaps not so much.

It's not a big deal for us on the forum, it matters little I am sure. It will impact Canon more than any one person in this thread. I am sure they are very aware of what their decision means for them.