Canon EOS RP is out! Official!

umphotography wrote in post #18810920
Im more excited about the glass

Does this make the EOS R the mid level body now ??

Both these bodies have no dual cards

according to the video the FRO just released....All future R mount bodies will have IBIS

So- a pro bod with dual cards and IBIS.....thats Probably gonna come in at $3800-4000.00 the way that are setting things up for the line up

This is all getting really interesting

Did you see the new 70-200 2.8 that is coming? it's pretty compact. Not to mention a 24-70 2.8IS, 15-35 2.8 IS. I can't imagine they are making all this great new glass without more high end future bodies.

Charlie wrote in post #18810916
it's fiddly.

imagine shooting with the 11-22, 24-70 EF and 135 EF. Pretty normal to have said combo, you're shooting the 135, go inside with the 11-22, decide to swap to 24-70, you've got to swap out adapters (135 -> 24-70), then swap lenses..... ugh fiddly. Sure, EF lenses are low cost offerings, however price isnt everything.

I've played these adapter games, still playing them now. Only way to make it comforting is to have multiple adapters, one for each lens. With that, you get into size creep, an additional 250g for two adapters, additional length, and costs...

You can just leave the adapter on the body and swap around the EF/EF-S lenses. Not any more “fiddly” then changing a lens without adapter.

11-22? That’s an EF-M lens, it will never adapt to an R body.

umphotography wrote in post #18810920
Im more excited about the glass

Does this make the EOS R the mid level body now ??

Both these bodies have no dual cards

according to the video the FRO just released....All future R mount bodies will have IBIS

So- a pro bod with dual cards and IBIS.....thats Probably gonna come in at $3800-4000.00 the way that are setting things up for the line up

This is all getting really interesting

Did he say all future RF bodies would have IBIS, or that IBIS was coming in the future?

I don't particularly need it, so either way is fine for my needs.

Charlie wrote in post #18810916
it's fiddly.

imagine shooting with the 11-22, 24-70 EF and 135 EF. Pretty normal to have said combo, you're shooting the 135, go inside with the 11-22, decide to swap to 24-70, you've got to swap out adapters (135 -> 24-70), then swap lenses..... ugh fiddly. Sure, EF lenses are low cost offerings, however price isnt everything.

Can sound more fiddly if someone writes it as fiddly as possible.

The adapters are inexpensive, and some people only adapt one or two. At least on my EOS R, I leave an adapter on my 24-70 so when I swap to the RF 50mm 1.2. Meaning no adapter is swapped.

No adapters is handy, but so would no filters. But I think some people can simplify either option.

I’m surprised they didn’t have a “budget” RF lens ready to go as the kit lens to be released with the RP.

24-105mm f4-5.6 or so, in the $600 price range. Kits are either the RF 24-105mm f4L or the EF at a lower price.

LoneRider wrote in post #18810933
You can just leave the adapter on the body and swap around the EF/EF-S lenses. Not any more “fiddly” then changing a lens without adapter.

11-22? That’s an EF-M lens, it will never adapt to an R body.

teamspeed was referring to the EOS M50...

for the sake of EOS-RP, 35 f1.8, EF 85 f1.8, EF 135 f2, same issue, different camera.

either way, not getting too side tracked, 35 f1.8 + 24-240 would be a nice travel combo

umphotography wrote in post #18810920
So- a pro bod with dual cards and IBIS.....thats Probably gonna come in at $3800-4000.00 the way that are setting things up for the line up

Knowing Canon, yes, but that would be an incredibly bold and stupid price point when Sony already has the A7R3 under $3000 today.

If the RF Pro somehow bests the A7R3, consider me impressed, but I'm anticipating it will lag behind the Sony in a few areas, making a $4000 price tag dead on arrival. Canon simply can't afford not to compete with Sony on price at the pro level.

2020 is all hands on deck for the Sony/Canon shootout. Nikon will be on the sidelines eating glue at this rate.

WilsonFlyer wrote in post #18810503
We can't know until we know what part of the sensor they are activating to capture 4k, right?

All we know is the sensor size and that 4k is always 2160.

They could use the entire sensor and scale it internally to 2160 and there would be no "crop factor." This is what Sony does.

It takes a full sensor width read to have no crop factor at all, in other words.

https://www.theverge.c​om …spec-pricing-release-date
"Now, let’s get the biggest con out of the way early: the EOS RP has a heavy crop for 4K video recording — just like the R"

mdvaden wrote in post #18810934
Did he say all future RF bodies would have IBIS, or that IBIS was coming in the future?

Fro said Canon told him it was definitely coming in a future body- not clear if it would be in ALL bodies.
Great news to me- combine that with IS for video and my sticks will gather dust.

LoneRider wrote in post #18810939
I’m surprised they didn’t have a “budget” RF lens ready to go as the kit lens to be released with the RP.

24-105mm f4-5.6 or so, in the $600 price range. Kits are either the RF 24-105mm f4L or the EF at a lower price.

I would think the 24-240 non-L would be ideal as the kit when it's ready.

"The big news on the RP is that the pupil-detection aspect of the 'Face + Tracking' mode now works in both continuous (Servo) AF mode, as well as single shot. Admittedly, a slight labeling glitch and tiny on-screen icons can make it a little tricky to tell when you've turned it on. Once engaged it finds eyes fairly well and lets you press the left and right directions on the four-way controller to pick which eye the camera should focus on."


On the flip side;
"The Canon RP is based around a sensor we weren't that impressed by, and we're expecting plenty of 'no IS, no purchase' comments below our coverage, but we think it gets quite a lot right.

It's less ambitious than the EOS R but by combining twin command dials with the excellent Feature Assist interface and a really keen price tag, it ends up looking rather charming.

There are lots of specs that enthusiasts will turn their noses up at ("2.5fps shooting in 'Tracking Priority,' LOL"), but there's also a lot the EOS RP gets right. Not least the images it produces."

From DPR; https://www.dpreview.c​om …-the-canon-eos-rp?slide=8

Trout Bum wrote in post #18810951
Fro said Canon told him it was definitely coming in a future body- not clear if it would be in ALL bodies.
Great news to me- combine that with IS for video and my sticks will gather dust.

for standing still or swaying like movements, IS can be heaven. Forget about walking, you need a gimbal or counterweights like a monopod/flycam/glideca​m. Makes all the difference. I can get pretty darn stable shots with a monopod, not nearly as good a my gimbal, but more convenient than a gimbal.

Charlie wrote in post #18810954
for standing still or swaying like movements, IS can be heaven. Forget about walking, you need a gimbal or counterweights like a monopod/flycam/glideca​m. Makes all the difference. I can get pretty darn stable shots with a monopod, not nearly as good a my gimbal, but more convenient than a gimbal.

Agreed, it would have to be one hell of a system to be comparable to a good gimbal and allow decent walking shots. But the combo of the two would still offer a lot of new freedom of movement.

B&H is including the EF to RF adapter as well as the extension grip.

Gotta say, this has me thinking of "downsizing". I don't do video. So the 4K crop factor is not a...ahem...factor.

And being able to use EF-S is pretty cool.

xinvisionx wrote in post #18810911
I’m considering replacing my 5D Mark IV with this camera. The small light size is really attractive for hiking and landscape.

I sold mine in anticipation of joining the R system. I haven't yet, and want to see what the R firmware upgrades and R Pro look like. Being stuck with just my M50 crop body sucks, even if I can use my L lens.
If you just shoot stills you might be happy with that switch, but if you do as much video as I do this RP is just too crippled.