All Future R mounts will have IBIS- per Canon

Canon Rumors had a link to an Amateur Photographer interview with some Canon executives at CP+. I thought one of the interesting quotes was this, in response to all of the people asking for IBIS:

"We believe IBIS will work together hand in hand with optical IS lenses, such as the ones you see in front of you, to offer better features."

The wording is interesting. "IBIS will work together... with optical IS..." We all assume that Canon makes a ton of money from optical IS, and adding IBIS could jeopardize that revenue stream. This answer makes me think that Canon's IBIS will only work with lenses that already have optical IS. If your lens has IS, IBIS may add a stop or two, but if it doesn't, IBIS won't function.

Just my speculation. It would give Canon a way to say "We have IBIS!" while still being able to charge a premium for stabilized lenses. Your 50mm f/1.8 STM? Still no stabilization!

The complete interview can be read here.

Mike

A wait and see and we know how some Canon timelines are extended. So yes, future R bodies may have IBIS but at what point will the entry level variants have that? We may be thinking at 4-10+ years at current release intervals, RP-II/III etc. It would be very interesting to have the Pro level contain IBIS then we might anticipate the R-II to get this around '23-'24 with dual card slots, etc. We've barely got the current line-up and we're already 5 years down the road.

ra40 wrote in post #18829502
We've barely got the current line-up and we're already 5 years down the road.

We (the consumers) aren't 5 years down the road. Canon is 5 years behind.

All we're asking for is for the R line to have features that other cameras have already had for years and years. The idea that we're supposed to wait patiently while Canon drags it's feet is preposterous.

Canon's slogan should be, "Yesterday's camera, tomorrow."

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18829514
We (the consumers) aren't 5 years down the road. Canon is 5 years behind.

All we're asking for is for the R line to have features that other cameras have already had for years and years. The idea that we're supposed to wait patiently while Canon drags it's feet is preposterous.

Canon's slogan should be, "Yesterday's camera, tomorrow."

True and I agree. I'm in Canon time land back in 2010 or there about's. Part of why I've been thinking of alternates even for my mild uses and that's sad since I've had Canon since '03.

Nice, wonder how 3rd parties are managing.

umphotography wrote in post #18810925
Dual IS

in body and in the lens 6:25 on the video

Of course, they would have to be coordinated to have their own responsibilities if they operated at the same time.

You can't blindly do full correction in both systems at the same time, as a double correction is a re-introduction of the blur, but now with all the extra jitter (parts of the correction that don't remove, but rather, add blur) introduced by the system.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18829514
We (the consumers) aren't 5 years down the road. Canon is 5 years behind.

All we're asking for is for the R line to have features that other cameras have already had for years and years. The idea that we're supposed to wait patiently while Canon drags it's feet is preposterous.

Canon's slogan should be, "Yesterday's camera, tomorrow."

In the auto industry, the 'we try harder to catch market share' companies are faster to market with products with the latest features, and include more goodies as standard equipment rather than extra cost items...that is how they are trying to 'buy' market share! The established market leaders (either in terms of unit volumes or in terms of market panache among buyers) do not have to try quite so hard to incorporate the latest technical goodie, nor do they necessarily include that goodie in the standard equipment but they charge extra for it.

That can be seen in the incorporation of things like auto sound systems having AD2P audio link to smartphones, but it taking the 'luxury market' leaders more time to incorporate the feature and once they do it is an extra cost option. I saw this exact thing when our youngest daughter purchased a car from Asia which had a number of things standard equipment (vs. extra cost in my car) and also had goodies not even available yet on my German luxury status car.

Fuji and Sony and others are trying to win market share over the more well established brands (Canon, Nikon, Olympus). A lot of their apparent growth is due to the declining volume in the dSLR segment, and not so much in radically larger unit volumes sold (compared to same period in earlier years). Look at the size of the black group in this CIPA chart

This may be a silly question, but is IBIS 100% hardware? Meaning, no future firmware updates can add any form of IBIS? I figure that is the case, seeing that the IB stands for in body.

y2nicco wrote in post #18842149
This may be a silly question, but is IBIS 100% hardware? Meaning, no future firmware updates can add any form of IBIS? I figure that is the case, seeing that the IB stands for in body.

Yes, it is mechanical.

The Canon mirrorless today already have digital stabilization for video mode, which is ok, but it shrinks down the available resolution you can record because it uses perimeter pixels for the digital stabilization process.

Go to the 1:45 mark to see the Sony IBIS assembly in action as this person tries to repair it.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=T_y8oe_eZzU

y2nicco wrote in post #18842149
This may be a silly question, but is IBIS 100% hardware? Meaning, no future firmware updates can add any form of IBIS? I figure that is the case, seeing that the IB stands for in body.

With video, you can take the same number of frames as normal and just align them before cropping them a tad, writing the video stream. For a still image, you would have to take multiple exposures and align them, and many cameras have been doing that for years, as scene modes for "night" or "low light", usually without RAW or much user control of exposure parameters. My aging Casio superzoom can read the sensor 40 times per second, and has a scene mode that takes 6 rapid frames at that rate (or something close to it) to extend beyond the mechanical IS limits.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18842231
Yes, it is mechanical.

The Canon mirrorless today already have digital stabilization for video mode, which is ok, but it shrinks down the available resolution you can record because it uses perimeter pixels for the digital stabilization process.

Go to the 1:45 mark to see the Sony IBIS assembly in action as this person tries to repair it.

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=T_y8oe_eZzU

Thanks! Makes sense now. Appreciate it!

Great info!

I can shoot okay without IBIS, but wouldn't mind the addition as long as it doesn't compromise camera life or other functions.

Lately, I saw a video from Theoria Apophasis about the Fuji GFX100. He's an odd guy and I rarely view his commentary, but I still find some interesting stuff in his channel. Regarding the GFX100, the results he saw from its IBIS can make a good selling point to have that tech.

I’ve shot 1/10 with the GFX100s (63mm) and the shots are sharp, modern isib & on that camera it is amazing considering the large sensor size. It can be very useful for video too. No real harm in having it.

I'm getting tired of canons kids games. Now I see why I people are leaving.