Who has gone mirrorless?

gjl711 wrote in post #18893474
It's got to be a lot cheaper. Scrap 2 mirrors, solenoids, penta-prism, focus screen, overlay screen, shims, lots of extra plastic, lots of assemble and fine tuning of moving parts. The sensors have already been developed for video so that's a wash. So it's all that for a oled screen. I got to think that those screens are dirt cheap as they are pretty much in every P?S camera for years.

Differences in EVF quality likely cost a ton more than those physical parts. Chips and processing power is not easy to get down, consider what Nikon and Canon are doing with similar battery capacity to Sony, yet battery life not on the same level. Panasonic has a big battery and can't match Sony either, the R&D efforts go a long way. Not saying it's the EVF for the battery drain, there's a lot of R&D involved to get these high standards.

There's been a lot of tech involved with faster and faster readout speeds, if it were that simple, Canon and Nikon would have produced a Sony killer, that many predicted.

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gjl711 wrote in post #18893485
That may be true for exotic chips or very complex fabrications or limited small runs, but an electronic viewfinder has been around for so long and the technology very well developed and usable across hundreds of cameras, I got to think that the whole assemble is a few $$ at most.

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Yeah, I wasn't talking about R&D costs, or costs to tool up for it. . I was talking only about actual per unit manufacturing costs.

Just a few dollars - yeah, I agree with you. . But I think that the mechanical components such as the parts that go into mirror box assemblies are even cheaper to make than that. . I wasn't saying that electrical components are expensive, per se .... I was just saying that they are more expensive than their mechanical counterparts.


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Eos R basically recycled the 5div sensor... That's why it performs the way it does.

But when you look at the latest Sony bodies, there is a lot going on in the hardware side of things. Back-lit or Stacked sensors... Front end lsi...etc

With mirrorless cameras you're moving a lot of the functions over to the electronic side of things off the sensor... And yeah you need more capable hardware to push that data down stream fast enough.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18893233
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For me, this is not the case at all.

I do not like, or want, an electronic viewfinder.

I want the features that EVFs allow, such as focusing right on the sensor, and focus peaking, but I don't want to have to look at an EVF. . I want to look through an optical viewfinder.

So your theory that the EVF is what makes the R and the RP desirable certainly does not apply to me. . The EVF is something that makes me NOT want to go mirrorless, not something that tempts me to switch over.

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That's exactly what i think. Silent shooting is a big thing, as well as ability to add filters at the back of some lenses (TS-E17, EF14mm and so one), i would love to buy some EOS R camera in the future, but i'd prefer to use bright old 1Ds3 viewfinder in anytime, without worrying about shitty battery life. I've tried few mirrorless cameras (fuji / sony / samsung / olympus) and all of them felt like a toys, not precisely camera you use for living.

I have a big question, don't you have problems with eyes after shooting for longer time? 6-10h?

If not containing a charge.... why then is dust attracted to it?

Croasdail wrote in post #18893624
If not containing a charge.... why then is dust attracted to it?

It's not, particularly, any more attractive to dust than other surfaces.

What other surfaces inside or outside your camera do you regularly enlarge to 30x or 60x and examine closely?

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_igi wrote in post #18893593
I have a big question, don't you have problems with eyes after shooting for longer time? 6-10h?

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No. . But I'm curious, why do you ask?


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I think he is referring to using an evf.

_igi wrote in post #18893593
That's exactly what i think. Silent shooting is a big thing, as well as ability to add filters at the back of some lenses (TS-E17, EF14mm and so one), i would love to buy some EOS R camera in the future, but i'd prefer to use bright old 1Ds3 viewfinder in anytime, without worrying about shitty battery life. I've tried few mirrorless cameras (fuji / sony / samsung / olympus) and all of them felt like a toys, not precisely camera you use for living.

I have a big question, don't you have problems with eyes after shooting for longer time? 6-10h?

Not all mirrorless have poor battery life

_igi wrote in post #18893593
That's exactly what i think. Silent shooting is a big thing, as well as ability to add filters at the back of some lenses (TS-E17, EF14mm and so one), i would love to buy some EOS R camera in the future, but i'd prefer to use bright old 1Ds3 viewfinder in anytime, without worrying about shitty battery life. I've tried few mirrorless cameras (fuji / sony / samsung / olympus) and all of them felt like a toys, not precisely camera you use for living.

I have a big question, don't you have problems with eyes after shooting for longer time? 6-10h?

EVF in the X-T3 is a 3.7million dot OLED with a mag of 0.75, your 1Dx3 has a mag of 0.76 so essentially the same size. Plus there is the rear screen to use if you need to as flipping to that won't effect how the camera operates in any way. I don't find my eyes any more tired that I did when using an OVF and much prefer what the EVF brings in terms of functionality.

I'm getting over 800 shots per battery, despite what CIPA say I should get, that is real life use from someone who uses a camera for a living, totally happy with that. Batteries are small for the small body but I can add a grip and have two extra batteries, giving me over 2000 shots or simply run it through the USB-c port for all day power - like shooting video. Sony I think have very impressive battery stats with their newer batteries.

The Fuji bodies are magnesium so tough enough for a good bang (Know this for a fact) and have good weather sealing, I live in Ireland so that gets tested a good bit. No issues yet.

Charlie wrote in post #18893750
Not all mirrorless have poor battery life

EOS R I took over 2600 photos, saving RAW and JPG and 20 minutes of 4K video. Did not check remaining capacity but there was some.
Sony A9 I took 1561 pics, saved compressed RAW and XFine large JPG, 56% remaining. (rear LCD was off but lots of reviewing and lots of refocussing)
The worst performance so far has been A9, 896 pics, 32% remain.

So somewhere between 1150 and 3000 pics on a single battery or 2400 to 6000 pics with a grip.

Choderboy wrote in post #18893815
EOS R I took over 2600 photos, saving RAW and JPG and 20 minutes of 4K video. Did not check remaining capacity but there was some.
Sony A9 I took 1561 pics, saved compressed RAW and XFine large JPG, 56% remaining. (rear LCD was off but lots of reviewing and lots of refocussing)
The worst performance so far has been A9, 896 pics, 32% remain.

So somewhere between 1150 and 3000 pics on a single battery or 2400 to 6000 pics with a grip.

It's a function of time, not necessarily shots. You can do fast timelapses and track up the shutter. No way it's normal for the Eos R to get 2600 shots and A9 under 1000 must be a ton of image reviewing, probably best to skip that bad behavior with the A9.

You'll get used to mashing the A9 shutter, anything less than 1000 shots a battery leads me to believe not quite comfortable with the camera/trying things out. Maybe single slow paced shooting

Either way battery life shouldnt be a problem when its easy enough to switch out a spare or add a grip.

Just to add a real alternative to the conversation. I prefer less stuff on my camera's. I do not like EVF. OVF on a rangefinder is just perfect for me and as good as it gets in my opinion. One thing left out of these conversations in how a lens renders. All you wildlife and sports folks no need to read this. But if you are not one of those like I am not just something to think about.
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elitejp wrote in post #18893916
Either way battery life shouldnt be a problem when its easy enough to switch out a spare or add a grip.

I'm in SE Asia right now, no spare, no charger, no problem.

I can shoot thousands of images a day, and hours of video. Shot off and on the whole day, mostly video, few snaps, not even close to depleted.

Put it along with my phone/GoPro and let it charge, one brick charger for all my devices.