Who has gone mirrorless?

elitejp wrote in post #18893916
Either way battery life shouldnt be a problem when its easy enough to switch out a spare or add a grip.

I agree, I am old and started with film, changing a battery a is faster than changing a roll of film was on my 35mm cameras. I use aftermarket batteries that are much cheaper than OEM and have not had any problems so far.

I haven't read through all the threads so this thought may have been mentioned. I am a hobbyist, I posted this comment in another forum,

"Not as much. I am a Canon user with a 7D. Recently purchased a Sony a6000, wanted to try mirror less and a much talked about platform. I will say that I am impressed with the image quality & functionality but not ready to move head strong to another platform. For now I am sitting back and seeing how all the new cameras play out in each platform. Everything seems to be at the forefront of change with the decline in DSLR sales and all the new technology."

I believe TeamSpeed made mention early on about a middle ground solution which would work if one is head strong to switch platforms but IMHO, I think the next year or so is going to be quite telling in the camera market with DSLR sales decreasing, the rise of not only mirror less but technology in general. Getting set into something so fluid right now may leave one 'stuck' wishing to get out. Camera technology has changed throughout history but I don't believe it's ever changed at such a quick pace which is something new (and maybe aggravating) to folks who have been shooting for many years, akin to TVs. Back in the day the technology never seemed to change and nowadays, there's new technology out every year leaving one to feel behind the 8-ball.

^^^

Yeah but... I was driving carburated cars long after fuel injection came out (it did not have a computer). I was still driving my dinosoar long after computerised cars came out.

I was using film and tentavely tried digital, ran 'em side by side. The digitals were so fragile I gave up. Since then of course, over time I run digital. Primarily because of low running costs. I have had 4 o5 digital cameras but have changed primarily for my reasons, ie broke it, got stolen, I got sick and it got too heavy (6D with L lenses).

If you have gear that is running ok, doing what you want, you are comfortable with it, the only other reason to change is really... fashion. We have been conditioned to wanting the latest, the flashest, the most status... I have run zenit film cameras quite happily. I don't really care that one brand looks better or has more status than another.

The little gradual implementations we see on a yearly improvement are really, mostly not needed.

Aifrogusmc said he would like to see less stuff on a camera. Me too really. All the majority of what the digital stuff does we used to do with 'F' stop on lense, focus on lens, single film speed (but it could be played with in the lab), shutter speed on the cam, focus assist in view finder.

However, all modern cameras have made fantastic in roads to automatic, now all you really need to know is how to turn it on and you can take brilliant pictures.

Taking brilliant pictures is exactly what i want to do.

kiwichris wrote in post #18894339
^^^

Yeah but... I was driving carburated cars long after fuel injection came out (it did not have a computer). I was still driving my dinosoar long after computerised cars came out.

I was using film and tentavely tried digital, ran 'em side by side. The digitals were so fragile I gave up. Since then of course, over time I run digital. Primarily because of low running costs. I have had 4 o5 digital cameras but have changed primarily for my reasons, ie broke it, got stolen, I got sick and it got too heavy (6D with L lenses).

If you have gear that is running ok, doing what you want, you are comfortable with it, the only other reason to change is really... fashion. We have been conditioned to wanting the latest, the flashest, the most status... I have run zenit film cameras quite happily. I don't really care that one brand looks better or has more status than another.

The little gradual implementations we see on a yearly improvement are really, mostly not needed.

Aifrogusmc said he would like to see less stuff on a camera. Me too really. All the majority of what the digital stuff does we used to do with 'F' stop on lense, focus on lens, single film speed (but it could be played with in the lab), shutter speed on the cam, focus assist in view finder.

However, all modern cameras have made fantastic in roads to automatic, now all you really need to know is how to turn it on and you can take brilliant pictures.

Yeah, well, I used to make color prints in the dark on a Kodak stainless steel "rapid" drum. Wet the paper, slap it on the spinning drum in the dark. If you were good (I was) you got it perfectly positioned on the drum atop the the spinning layer of chemistry. If you were 'way off, you heard the drum toss the paper across the room and slap wetly on the floor. If you were just off a bit--when the lights came on in 20 minutes, you'd find the print was ruined.

These days, watching a print march out of my Canon printer is so easy I almost laugh out loud.

RDKirk wrote in post #18894367
Yeah, well, I used to make color prints in the dark on a Kodak stainless steel "rapid" drum. Wet the paper, slap it on the spinning drum in the dark. If you were good (I was) you got it perfectly positioned on the drum atop the the spinning layer of chemistry. If you were 'way off, you heard the drum toss the paper across the room and slap wetly on the floor. If you were just off a bit--when the lights came on in 20 minutes, you'd find the print was ruined.

These days, watching a print march out of my Canon printer is so easy I almost laugh out loud.

Heh, I used to pay others to do that! I agree about the Canon printer, I use one myself but it is old, about 8 yrs I think

elitejp wrote in post #18894354
Taking brilliant pictures is exactly what i want to do.

Looking at your gear list, you have great gear. The rest is really, up to you.

kiwichris wrote in post #18894339
^^^

Yeah but... I was driving carburated cars long after fuel injection came out (it did not have a computer). I was still driving my dinosoar long after computerised cars came out.

I was using film and tentavely tried digital, ran 'em side by side. The digitals were so fragile I gave up. Since then of course, over time I run digital. Primarily because of low running costs. I have had 4 o5 digital cameras but have changed primarily for my reasons, ie broke it, got stolen, I got sick and it got too heavy (6D with L lenses).

If you have gear that is running ok, doing what you want, you are comfortable with it, the only other reason to change is really... fashion. We have been conditioned to wanting the latest, the flashest, the most status... I have run zenit film cameras quite happily. I don't really care that one brand looks better or has more status than another.

The little gradual implementations we see on a yearly improvement are really, mostly not needed.

Aifrogusmc said he would like to see less stuff on a camera. Me too really. All the majority of what the digital stuff does we used to do with 'F' stop on lense, focus on lens, single film speed (but it could be played with in the lab), shutter speed on the cam, focus assist in view finder.

However, all modern cameras have made fantastic in roads to automatic, now all you really need to know is how to turn it on and you can take brilliant pictures.

The camera doesn't make brilliant photographs. It is the photographer that does that. I shoot with Leica M because it is a tool that I am making all the decisions with. I have shot manually for over 4 decades and there is no computer than can make those decisions faster and better for the way I want my work to look than I can.

I think it's wise for a photog to simply dive into a mirrorless and see how things go.

A lot of discussion can be reinforced by actual use. If you hate it you can at least say you tried. One thing to note, in due time mirrored bodies will eventually go.

Very likely most mirrorless systems can suite most needs of demanding photogs.

If my aps-c system had the identical dof control I get with my FF system I’d still be heavily invested in it. The Sony system for me has been a struggle in getting use to but I’m on the verge of being able to let go my mirrored bodies now. I still have a tad more confidence in reliability with my mirrored bodies though.

When anti lock brakes were introduced by automotive makers many enthusiast said they can pulsate their brakes with same result for safety. That is sadly and obviously impossible. My mother in law's Toyota Corolla has ABS yet my 1965 VW beetle , 11 second street car (aprox 4.5 sec 0-60mph) doesn't. Just because something things you can make due doesn't mean it's not warranted or beneficial.

A person describing shooting manual is fine. Laughable to a degree if you speak to events photographers, BIF/Wildlife shooters or sports/motor sports shooters. Mirrorless and focus peaking is such a great feature.

Many ways to admire fresh tech. Getting the job is bottom line and if features helps this is better than making excuses of missing a shot.

Most of my stuff lately I can capture pretty much everything I want with my little Sony A73 vs my Canon 5dmk3/4. In fact using mirrorless now I'm much more better at manual focus when it's needed.

Seems there is more energy expelled in "not" testing. I have no resistance in exploration. Now that I shoot Sony I feel I have more alternatives. Can I pull out my Canon mirrored full frame??? YES!! Now it's getting to a point where I can sell off my mirrored Canon stuff BUT with no hesitation as the Canon FF mirrorless evolves I'm definitely wanting that for Canon colours and render.

AlanU wrote in post #18894524
I think it's wise for a photog to simply dive into a mirrorless and see how things go.

A lot of discussion can be reinforced by actual use. If you hate it you can at least say you tried. One thing to note, in due time mirrored bodies will eventually go.

Very likely most mirrorless systems can suite most needs of demanding photogs.

If my aps-c system had the identical dof control I get with my FF system I’d still be heavily invested in it. The Sony system for me has been a struggle in getting use to but I’m on the verge of being able to let go my mirrored bodies now. I still have a tad more confidence in reliability with my mirrored bodies though.

When anti lock brakes were introduced by automotive makers many enthusiast said they can pulsate their brakes with same result for safety. That is sadly and obviously impossible. My mother in law's Toyota Corolla has ABS yet my 1965 VW beetle , 11 second street car (aprox 4.5 sec 0-60mph) doesn't. Just because something things you can make due doesn't mean it's not warranted or beneficial.

A person describing shooting manual is fine. Laughable to a degree if you speak to events photographers, BIF/Wildlife shooters or sports/motor sports shooters. Mirrorless and focus peaking is such a great feature.

Many ways to admire fresh tech. Getting the job is bottom line and if features helps this is better than making excuses of missing a shot.

Most of my stuff lately I can capture pretty much everything I want with my little Sony A73 vs my Canon 5dmk3/4. In fact using mirrorless now I'm much more better at manual focus when it's needed.

Seems there is more energy expelled in "not" testing. I have no resistance in exploration. Now that I shoot Sony I feel I have more alternatives. Can I pull out my Canon mirrored full frame??? YES!! Now it's getting to a point where I can sell off my mirrored Canon stuff BUT with no hesitation as the Canon FF mirrorless evolves I'm definitely wanting that for Canon colours and render.

61mp A7R4 incoming.....

R3 prices will take a beating

Alan, about 1/3 of the work I do is events and I do it better than most. Some of the greatest candid work I have ever seen was done with Hasselblads,Leica Ms and many other mechanical cameras. I guess that quality of work should make many on the gadget go round cry instead of laugh cry.. If you are on the gadget go round maybe you should think of jumping off because right now so called latest and greatest is already second hand news. There will always be a latest and greatest. love this quote by Weston and it is more true today than it was when he said it.

"The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don't know what to do with it". - Edward Weston

Charlie wrote in post #18894533
61mp A7R4 incoming.....

R3 prices will take a beating

Charlie...I've been using a kleenex wiping off my drool :P

I'm really considering an A7r4. It'll be my wannabe medium format camera for the megapixels. I sure wish Sony will implement a smaller selectable size RAW. Kinda like Canon's sRaw, mRaw etc. If this was the case I'd be safe in "not" upgrading my older skylake i7 computer.

The beauty of the A7r4 is that there will be NO need to buy different glass to support a camera with more megapixels. I bet that camera will be a rocket in performance too!!!


I'm assuming there will be a colour science tweak with that new A7R4 body. If an A7R3 is going to drop in price dramatically it will happily fit my needs too!!

Canon is so far behind with a body that I will happily buy more Sony gear. I love Canon colours both mirrored and the new FF mirrorless but the performance of the Canon mirrorless bodies is just so far behind.

Thank you Charlie from the get go in messing up my brain in the Sony eco system LOL!! The more I use it the more I appreciate it.

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Charlie wrote in post #18894544
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airfrogusmc wrote in post #18894537
Alan, about 1/3 of the work I do is events and I do it better than most. Some of the greatest candid work I have ever seen was done with Hasselblads,Leica Ms and many other mechanical cameras. I guess that quality of work should make many on the gadget go round cry instead of laugh cry.. If you are on the gadget go round maybe you should think of jumping off because right now so called latest and greatest is already second hand news. There will always be a latest and greatest. love this quote by Weston and it is more true today than it was when he said it.

"The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don't know what to do with it". - Edward Weston

Sadly the truth is that new tech will trump manual focus. This has nothing to do with the person behind the camera. Match a gifted photographer behind ultra reliable AF....he/she will have more keepers. Therefore, more skilled images to cull in money shots for events. Focus peaking is another feature that is quite incredible.

Tell a BIF shooter that your manual focus system will have better quality in IQ and capture rate. I assure you such comments would NOT be taken seriously. The leica pedestal has no footing on this type of photography or any type of fast action in today's world.

"better than most" is every photographer's perception in their work. If you dared to use a modern autofocus camera, your composition should be virtually identical but more emphasis on composition. You'll relieve some efforts in acquiring sharp manual focus. Being human you cannot deny this regardless if you think it's second nature to manual focus. AF this day and age will still be faster and more accurate.

Edward Weston would roll in his grave if he saw what kind of gear is available today. Today, there are just as many skilled photographers with amazing composition. Quoting is great but I think he was excessively drinking too much vintage Coca-Cola with coca leaf in it He left this world in 1958 so there is a drastic gap in tech from his era to today.

I would consider AF to be beneficial in helping in paying more attention to composition. A good amount of portrait photographer's are appreciating eye AF to assure more keeper rate as they pose models. Just a feature that is modern and showing great success. Manually focusing works too but that type of focus is upto the photographer.

2019 people would care less if you commented that "I shoot manually only" thinking they are a different league with elevated standards. Many would say "I shoot aperture priority" and have the same respect as any photographer's shooting style.