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Feisol 3442 and Sirui K-30X vs. Leofoto LS-284C and RRS BH-30 LR Review (Updated with improvements/modificat​ions to Leofoto Dec 2019)

 
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Mar 29, 2019 09:01 |  #1

Retail prices:
Feisol 3442: $420
Sirui K-30X: $160
Leofoto LS-284C: $232
RRS BH-30 LR: $295

Weights:
Feisol 3442 and Sirui K-30X: 1646 g
Leofoto LS-284C and RRS BH-30 LR: 1431 g

Height difference at clamp: 215mm (Feisol setup taller)
Leofoto leg angles (as measured by me): 22˚, 55˚, 85˚
Feisol leg angles (as measured by me): 21˚, 46˚, 71˚


I’ve been using the Feisol 3442 and Sirui K-30X combination as my only tripod for about 4 years now. It’s been all over the world and has never let me down, but I was looking for something a little different. I spend a lot of the time hiking with my tripod, so I wanted something a little lighter and more compact. The Feisol isn’t particularly light when you’re looking at a long day with it on your backpack, and it’s quite large which makes it hang farther off the side, upsetting the weight balance and making it seem larger than it is. This lead me to the Leofoto LS-284C.

There’s no way to avoid the simple fact that the Leofoto LS-284C is a blatant copy of the Really Right Stuff TFC-14. The few crucial differences that I can tell are that the leg angles are a little steeper and the leg extension locks don’t feel as nice to use on the Leofoto. But the price is where things get interesting. The Leofoto typically costs (at the time of writing) $232, where as the RRS TFC-14 costs $835, well outside my budget.

This comparison between the Feisol 3442 and Sirui K-30X combination and the Leofoto LS-284C and RRS BH-30 LR combination is an apt one because in addition to both being fairly light, versatile tripods, they occupy a very similar price bracket. The Feisol/Sirui setup has a retail price of $580 and the Leofoto/RRS setup has a retail price of $527.

Disclaimer: I purchased the Feisol tripod new at full retail price about 4 years ago. I purchased the Sirui ballhead new with a discount at the same time. I purchased the Leofoto at retail price from eBay, shipped direct from China a couple of months ago. The RRS ballhead was purchased used at a significant discount at a similar time.

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The Ballheads

The Sirui K-30X Ballhead is a very good model and one that I largely recommend. It moves fairly smoothly, locks down well, and has very few downsides. It isn’t perfect, though. The panning lock gets a little notchy when close to lockup and the ball could move a little smoother when under moderate tension. But there’s relatively little shift when locking the ball down and the panning base is extremely smooth when the lock knob is loosened sufficiently. My only large complaint is one that’s fairly easily rectified: I strongly disliked the included clamp.

The clamp that comes with the K-30X is not one that I can recommend. I found it to be rather large, the knob stiff, the lead screw too slow, the rubber cheap feeling, and the push-button safety unnecessarily fiddly. I only used it for a day or two before switching it with a different one from my stash of clamps. The clamp I ended up using long term with the K-30X was an old unlabeled Induro model from a damaged ballhead.

ASIDE: removal of the stock Sirui clamp is not trivial. The screw is a custom sized countersunk M8 machine screw, not the more common M6 or 1/4”-20. Worse yet, it’s epoxied in place. Even with a high quality Wiha hex key, the very soft stainless steel screw stripped before I got it out. I had to use a Dremel to carve a slot into the head of the screw and use a large flat bladed screwdriver with a wrench to remove it. I would highly recommend using either heat on the ballhead shaft or a solvent (acetone would be my suggestion) to soften the epoxy before attempting removal. After all this, I had to machine the head of a new M8 screw down to size to fit the clamp as the recess for the head is smaller than the standard M8 size.


My plan was to sell my Feisol/Sirui tripod and head combo to fund this transition, so by choosing a set of legs quite a bit less expensive than my old ones, I was able to talk myself into buying a very nice ballhead. I chose the Really Right Stuff BH-30 with the compact lever release clamp. Not only was it considerably lighter than the K-30X, but it’s more compact, faster to use, and locks down extremely firmly. I absolutely love the lever release clamp. It’s fast, solid, low profile, and works with all my plates (from many different manufacturers, none of whom are RRS).

So far, the only gripe I have with it is the amount of slop in the indexable locking lever. It’s designed so that you can pull it out and rotate it to a different position in 60˚ increments to avoid it fouling on your tripod apex or arca clamp. But there’s a ton of slop in the machining of it. This results in a very large and highly noticeable 9˚ of motion when you change directions (i.e. going from tightening to loosening the ballhead). This seems like a gross oversight to me as the solution is to simply decrease the clearance between the male hex on the ballhead side and the machined female hex on the lever side or alternitively use a set of interlocking splines. The Paragon Machine Works through-axle on my mountain bike (a ~$35 part) uses a very similar system for indexing the handle, but did it properly, with 22 indexable positions and less than a degree of slop in the mechanism. If RRS had done something more like this, which would seem more in line with the $295 price of this ballhead, I would be far happier with the locking lever and the ballhead as a whole.

The Legs

As for the legs, the Feisol 3442 tripod served me very well. The reverse folding feature is useful when traveling, assuming your ballhead and clamp don’t interfere with the legs. That being said, the platform is very large and the legs mount to the outside of it, so this tripod is very broad. The volume of the folded tripod is very large no matter how you fold it. I find this less than ideal when it’s hanging off the side of my pack.

This tripod has leg angles of 21˚, 46˚, 71˚, and completely reverse folding. I measured the primary leg angle stop to be 21˚, less than ideal in my opinion. I’d have much preferred 24˚ or 25˚. Increasing the leg angle from 21˚ to 25˚ would only decrease the maximum height by about 3%, a worthy compromise in my opinion. This 71˚ lowest setting doesn’t allow the tripod to get all the way to the ground, but you can unlock the legs and put the platform on the ground. This isn’t ideal as the legs aren’t locked and as such can’t prevent the platform and head from moving, but it has worked for me on occasion.

The leg extension locks are excellent on this tripod. It takes a small rotation to lock and release tension, and they lock very solidly, enough for me to hang my body weight from the tripod. I would rate the feel of the leg locks as extremely good, among the best I’ve used. The feet on this tripod are small hard rubber caps glued onto the end of the legs. They are not replaceable, not large, and not soft and grippy. I would have preferred larger rubber feet and the option to use spikes.

The Leofoto LS-284C is a much more compact tripod. It is a few inches shorter when folded but most strikingly it is vastly less voluminous when folded, with almost no enclosed volume between the legs. The legs don’t invert, so the overall length including ballhead will be slightly longer than an inverted Feisol 3442, but it’s still short enough for me.

I measured the primary leg angle stop to be 22˚, a little less than ideal, in my opinion. I’d have much preferred 24˚ or 25˚. Increasing the leg angle from 22˚ to 25˚ would only decrease the maximum height by about 2%, a worthy compromise in my opinion. The final leg angle stop on this tripod is 85˚, which is ideal for getting the tripod very low to the ground. The base of the platform is only a couple of inches above the ground.

The leg angle locks on this tripod are a very smart design. You pull them all the way out when the tripod is folded up, and then open the legs all the way to the 85˚ stop. This releases a spring behind the locks so that when you then close the legs, the locks ratchet in to each successive stop. I find this to be a very efficient way to adjust the leg angles. The locks can also be pushed in without opening the legs fully, if you only want to adjust the legs by a single stop.

The leg extension locks are not the best that I’ve used. They lock extremely strongly (I can hang my body from the tripod) but have a rather poor feel. They lock down smoothly enough, but when unlocking the are two points of resistance. First, the lock feels like its releasing, but then goes loose without the leg unlocking, and only when turning past this second point of resistance is the leg unlocked. I’ve never used a tripod with leg locks that have this feel. The feet on these legs are replaceable, but I’m quite satisfied with the large, round feet that come standard. Also included are some short steel spikes, but they are small enough to be largely ineffective at only ~20 mm in length. I would have much preferred a longer set of spikes in the ~40 mm range. I may end up making myself a set at some point, but that's a project for another day.

My biggest complaint with this tripod is the overall height. At full extension, the Leofoto LS-284C with RRS BH-30 head is 215 mm shorter than the Feisol 3442 with Sirui K-30X head. I’ve decided that I can live with this for the kind of photography that I’m doing, but it’s not ideal. If I had my way, each of the four leg sections would be 40 mm (about 1.5”) longer, making the extended legs 160 mm longer and the total height 150 mm taller, at the cost of the collapsed tripod being 40 mm longer. The weight difference would be quite minimal and I would find the added height a great improvement.


In conclusion, I can highly recommend either setup without significant reservations. Neither tripod is perfect, but they both offer a good feature set with a different set of compromises. For my uses, the Leofoto and RRS combination is a better choice, but you may feel differently.

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Mar 30, 2019 12:19 |  #3

Just to add to the tripod section of the above post, the Leofoto tripod is a quality product despite its price. I bought an LS-284C in January of 2018 and it ultimately replaced a very sturdy Benro traveler that gave me 8 years of reliable service. It's just a better tripod. I also have an LS-223C which is a very small tripod which could be classified as a ground or tabletop design. Both tripods are constructed with quality materials; the hardware is stainless steel and CNC-machined billet aluminum and the carbon fiber is 10 layer high quality TORAYCA tubes from Japanese company Toray Industries. The leg section twist locks work and feel exactly like the locks on my RRS TVC-24, and to be honest the fit and finish of these tripods is also up to the same standard.

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Mar 30, 2019 12:43 |  #4

Thanks for the awesome review. Leofoto is new to me, so this was particularity informative.


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CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18837490 (external link)
Thanks for the awesome review. Leofoto is new to me, so this was particularity informative.

Yes agree, great review, thanks Callum !!

One question, will the Leofoto be capable of holding a DSLR & 100-400 +1.4 with BH 30 or should one just go with the 40 or 50 head.


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Jun 22, 2019 12:23 |  #6

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Yes agree, great review, thanks Callum !!

One question, will the Leofoto be capable of holding a DSLR & 100-400 +1.4 with BH 30 or should one just go with the 40 or 50 head.

It will definitely hold it, but the legs are most likely the weak link in the system. I would move up a size there before worrying about a larger head. The only caveat here is that the BH-30 doesn't have a tension knob, so you have to be careful how you use the main tension knob. If you release all tension without holding the camera with your other hand, it's going end rather badly. Moving up to the BH-40 would give you that capability. If you're using this setup for landscapes or similar, I don't see any issues because you can use a remote release or timer to reduce vibrations but for wildlife, sports, or similar I'd want a sidekick gimbal instead (and longer legs as the LS-284C isn't very tall).

(I don't have a 100-400 myself, but the LS-284C + RRS BH-30 setup works fairly well with my 70-200mm f/2.8 with a 1.4x converter on it.)




  
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Jun 22, 2019 12:40 |  #7

I'll also add to this thread that I just got back from a two and a half week vacation in Scotland. My Leofoto LS-284C and RRS BH-30 setup went everywhere with me (including up and over at least a half dozen Munros) and didn't let me down at all.

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And one more:

(The setup shot is not exactly the same composition as the final photo, but it's close enough to get the point across!)

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Jun 22, 2019 12:47 as a reply to  @ Bianchi's post |  #9

Bianchi, if it helps I have the LS-284 with the LH-30 ball head and it holds my Fuji xt2+100-400&1.4 securely. As I just received the tripod this week, I haven't tested it outdoors but indoor testing was positive.


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CallumRD1 wrote in post #18881965 (external link)
It will definitely hold it, but the legs are most likely the weak link in the system. I would move up a size there before worrying about a larger head. The only caveat here is that the BH-30 doesn't have a tension knob, so you have to be careful how you use the main tension knob. If you release all tension without holding the camera with your other hand, it's going end rather badly. Moving up to the BH-40 would give you that capability. If you're using this setup for landscapes or similar, I don't see any issues because you can use a remote release or timer to reduce vibrations but for wildlife, sports, or similar I'd want a sidekick gimbal instead (and longer legs as the LS-284C isn't very tall).

(I don't have a 100-400 myself, but the LS-284C + RRS BH-30 setup works fairly well with my 70-200mm f/2.8 with a 1.4x converter on it.)

I had that feeling, they make a LS 324 with a Load Capacity: 33.1 lb, but a lb heavier than the 284, that may be the way to go, my only niche it only goes so high and when folds is about 22.4", wish it was around 16-18" for travel & hiking. There will always be trade offs, and this looks to be great tripod for the $$. BTW there head for the 324 looks to be a knockoff of RRS, and if you get the PCL version it has a clamp instead of knob to fasten camera. Debating that or a RRS or FLM

The 100-400 would be for Mtn peaks up close.. I would not use it for wildlife, I do most of my wildlife hand held even though I have a gimbal for my normal gitzo tripod or monopod. I do like the gimbal while at air shows. For LE I do use a release, for bracketing I use the 2 sec timer delay in camera.

Do you do any LE with center column up, if so, how bad is the vibration. Have you had much success with center column up for landscape work?

BTW nice LE of the seashore


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Bianchi, if it helps I have the LS-284 with the LH-30 ball head and it holds my Fuji xt2+100-400&1.4 securely. As I just received the tripod this week, I haven't tested it outdoors but indoor testing was positive.

Report back with your findings in the field, I dont know the weight difference between your system and a DSLR and 100-400. I do have a mirrorless system and some times throw on the 100-400 so that may be close to your system


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Jun 22, 2019 13:39 as a reply to  @ Bianchi's post |  #12

I never use a center column on my tripods, so I cannot comment on that. I would be very reluctant to ever use one with a lens like the 100-400. They just add so much instability to the tripod.




  
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I never use a center column on my tripods, so I cannot comment on that. I would be very reluctant to ever use one with a lens like the 100-400. They just add so much instability to the tripod.

Yes in total agreeance, I dont own a Tripod with a center column.. So we are buying a Leofoto for its max height without center column, which is not very tall. thus my question about if you dabbled with it just to see how it handled LE


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Yes in total agreeance, I dont own a Tripod with a center column.. So we are buying a Leofoto for its max height without center column, which is not very tall. thus my question about if you dabbled with it just to see how it handled LE

I've never even tried with this tripod because the one I bought didn't come with the center column. The last tripod I had with a center column was an aluminum Induro one that I bought in 2013 or so.




  
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I previously posted about how I discovered the Leofoto LS-284C and that it became my only tripod, especially well suited to travel and backpacking. This post is about the improvements I’ve made to the tripod to suit my needs better.

The inception of this project began when I discovered that Leofoto also makes a very similar model, the LS-284CEX. This appears to be a video focused version that has two main differences. First, the legs are significantly longer, with a total height of 1475mm (58”) instead of 1200mm (47”). Second, the apex has an integrated leveling base instead of a normal fixed apex. This is a very interesting feature because it works very smoothly, is quite low profile, has +/- 15˚ of range, and only adds 128g (0.28 lbs) over the weight of the fixed apex.

For my application with a RRS BH-30 LR ballhead, I didn’t want a leveling base on my tripod, and I wanted the weight to be as low as possible, so I swapped the fixed apex from the LS-284C onto the LS-284CEX legs. In my eyes, this creates an excellent tripod for my uses. It is now 1455mm tall with the fixed apex and it only weighs 1209g (2.66 lbs), about 93g (0.20 lbs) heavier than the standard LS-284C. I’m going to call this hybrid tripod the LS-284C+ for lack of a better name. It can now bring a camera close to eye level for me (I’m 6’2”) and is still very lightweight at 1525g (3.36 lbs) including a RRS BH-30 LR.

I tried to get Leofoto to sell me this hybrid tripod directly, but they wouldn’t so I had to purchase two tripods and do the switch myself then sell the other hybrid tripod with the shorter legs and leveling base.

The next step in my improvements to this tripod was to use a Bridgeport mill to modify the leg angle stops on the apex to open up the leg angle from the stock 22˚ to a much more stable 25˚. This increased the maximum leg splay (measured from the center axis of the tripod to each foot) by 76mm and the distance between any two feet by 132mm while reducing the height from 1455mm to 1420mm. I view this as a very good trade. I value the improved stability far more than the small amount of height lost.


I also purchased an LS-324C and LS-324CEX to do this same operation on, the idea being to pair it with a RRS BH-40 LR to make a taller, more robust tripod for when the photography is more of a priority than keeping weight down. This model uses 32/28/25/22mm leg diameters instead of the 28/25/22/19mm leg diameters of the 284 series. (The first two numbers in a Leofoto tripod product indicate the diameter of the largest tube section in millimeters and the third is the number of leg sections. The suffix C is their fixed apex with normal (short) length legs while the suffix CEX is the leveling base apex with longer length legs.)


In conclusion, this turned out to be quite an involved project, taking both a fair bit of time and a reasonably large up front investment. By purchasing multiple tripods at a discount direct from China and selling the unused (byproduct) tripods I was able to recoup a large portion of my investment so I ended up paying a very reasonable price for these resultant tripods. I still look at tripods like the RRS TFC-14 and TFC-24L with some longing, but I now feel that I’ve managed to create a nearly perfect pair of tripods for my uses at a fraction of the price. My total investment in the LS-284C+ with RRS BH-30 LR and LS-324C+ with RRS BH-40 LR setups is less than what a single RRS tripod and head setup would cost, and having sold my previous Feisol 3442 with Sirui K-30X setup at the onset of this project, I feel like I was able to get a pair of phenomenal tripods for a bargain when looking at my net out of pocket expenditure.




  
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