The reason for multi brand shooting???

So here's a fun experiment.

Body used is a Sony A73. Often there is a strong bond between photog and his hardware.

Here's to photos taken: one with a GMaster 16-35 f/2.8 and the other with an adapted Canon 16-35 f/2.8mk2 with Sigma MC-11 adapter.

same settings just edited with LR. Just noticed kelvin was 5750 with canon and Sony was 5700 (almost negligible when I make identical)

I use my 5dmk3/4 or Sony when I document certain subject matter. I love the Canon 16-35 f/2.8mk2 as it's more old school unlike the newer version Canon 16-35 f/2.8 mk3 with "better optics, nano coating etc....


This is an example why I really enjoy shooting with a variety of hardware. The variety of lenses truly is as important as the body features.

Both instances I used AWB and just swapped the lens. Not a very scientific experiment but just a comparison of sunflare looks. I prefer the less aperture blade flare of the Canon. This is my typical combo I use with automotive documentation at outdoor shows.

The Sony is much more antiflare compared to the canon lens. No Fuji file as I sold my 10-24mm UWA.

I just find brand loyalty is still strong even in 2019. I'm finding that grabbing hardware regardless of brand delivers the different "look" i demand or prefer.

What exactly are you trying to show here? That different lenses render images differently?

I feel like that's pretty common knowledge... no?

Also, you realize you just defeated your own argument for shooting multiple "systems" by using the same camera with different lenses for this test, right? People have pointed out to you on dozens of threads at this point that the lens has a far bigger impact on the photo than the body used... you've just proven their point.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18849534
What exactly are you trying to show here? That different lenses render images differently?

I feel like that's pretty common knowledge... no?

Also, you realize you just defeated your own argument for shooting multiple "systems" by using the same camera with different lenses for this test, right? People have pointed out to you on dozens of threads at this point that the lens has a far bigger impact on the photo than the body used... you've just proven their point.

Everyday I've yet to ever see images from you that explore advanced remote flash work or distinct sun flares. I actually I have no arguments. I think I made my point in this post as it was to display the differences in how the sunflare looks using a Canon and Sony UWA 16-35f/2.8 zoom. I was able to achieve a different look by using the adapted Canon lens. If I was a Sony shooter with only Sony glass this "different" flare could not have been achieved.

In due time I'll be investing fully in Canon EOS R "pro" version with RF glass lineup. If this is the case I'm really anticipating on different render as well with the killer Canon FF mirrorless lens lineup and still adapt my EF glass as native!!!!!! I actually really enjoyed using the Canon EF 16-35 f/4IS for it's sun flares too.

Since I'm brand agnostic and I use what creates a look I want. Perhaps If I was a primary Fuji user I'd still own the 10-24mm as a 7 blade zoom and run out and buy the 8-16mm for 9 round aperture blades for different flares As I'm not fully pleased with Fuji's current body lineup I'm investing in my other systems.

As of lately I've found how shooting multi brands have been quite a tool. The Sony allowing great adaptation to Canon glass has been quite handy. I also find different characteristics in different brands too. I've been putting more effort in experimentation.

Here's a photo I took impromptu with my Canon 5dmk4 with Canon 16-35 mk2. This image would look totally different than a Gmaster 16-35 as far as flash burst is concerned. I'd get similar image shooting my Sony A73 with adapted Canon 16-35mm.

AlanU wrote in post #18849564
Everyday I've yet to ever see images from you that explore advanced remote flash work or distinct sun flares. I actually I have no arguments. I think I made my point in this post as it was to display the differences in how the sunflare looks using a Canon and Sony UWA 16-35f/2.8 zoom. I was able to achieve a different look by using the adapted Canon lens. If I was a Sony shooter with only Sony glass this "different" flare could not have been achieved.

In due time I'll be investing fully in Canon EOS R "pro" version with RF glass lineup. If this is the case I'm really anticipating on different render as well with the killer Canon FF mirrorless lens lineup and still adapt my EF glass as native!!!!!! I actually really enjoyed using the Canon EF 16-35 f/4IS for it's sun flares too.

Since I'm brand agnostic and I use what creates a look I want. Perhaps If I was a primary Fuji user I'd still own the 10-24mm as a 7 blade zoom and run out and buy the 8-16mm for 9 round aperture blades for different flares As I'm not fully pleased with Fuji's current body lineup I'm investing in my other systems.

As of lately I've found how shooting multi brands have been quite a tool. The Sony allowing great adaptation to Canon glass has been quite handy. I also find different characteristics in different brands too. I've been putting more effort in experimentation.

Here's a photo I took impromptu with my Canon 5dmk4 with Canon 16-35 mk2. This image would look totally different than a Gmaster 16-35 as far as flash burst is concerned. I'd get similar image shooting my Sony A73 with adapted Canon 16-35mm.

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Again, proving my point... you don't need the Canon body at all, you can just use the Canon lenses on the Sony body (as many people do).

If you want to shoot multiple systems because you enjoy them, that's fine, more power to you. Constantly posting about the advantages of using multiple systems with the same exact arguments and examples over and over again isn't really convincing anybody but yourself... but maybe that's the point.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18849760
Again, proving my point... you don't need the Canon body at all, you can just use the Canon lenses on the Sony body (as many people do).

If you want to shoot multiple systems because you enjoy them, that's fine, more power to you. Constantly posting about the advantages of using multiple systems with the same exact arguments and examples over and over again isn't really convincing anybody but yourself... but maybe that's the point.

Lucas, you have not proven any points except display the love of argument. Perhaps withhold in participating in threads that do not concern you as a Fuji shooter. Lets not revisit your past with old generation Sony bodies as I do not use that gear. Due to your inexperience I suggest using a thrid Gen Sony body with adapted Canon glass. You clearly have no knowledge of the cons involved in using a Sony system with adapters. However if you're in a bind you can capture fast moving subjects with low keeper rate. There's tracking issues using Canon glass with sony. There is a reason why fuji followers are not running out using adapted AF glass with the Fringer adapter or other similar AF adapters. They simply do not work that well in low light.

In the case of Sony, the fantastic Canon 24-70Lmk2 f/2.8 with MC-11 adapter cannot autofocus while shooting video. Hard to sell that to an events Sony photographer using adapted Canon glass to shoot some clips of an event. Even a casual family event being limited to stills only is an issue with me. There's a good reason why many use native Emount glass with Sony for versatility of stills and video.

The lack of red focus assist with Sony bodies with adapted Canon glass in low light is a disaster. While performing bounced flash photography it never misses a beat due to the red focus assist. This is why I own Canon mirrored bodies to be used with native glass. Using adapted glass really suites a great advantage of shooting stills.

AlanU wrote in post #18849786
Lucas, you have not proven any points except display the love of argument. Perhaps withhold in participating in threads that do not concern you as a Fuji shooter. Lets not revisit your past with old generation Sony bodies as I do not use that gear. Due to your inexperience I suggest using a thrid Gen Sony body with adapted Canon glass. You clearly have no knowledge of the cons involved in using a Sony system with adapters. However if you're in a bind you can capture fast moving subjects with low keeper rate. There's tracking issues using Canon glass with sony. There is a reason why fuji followers are not running out using adapted AF glass with the Fringer adapter or other similar AF adapters. They simply do not work that well in low light.

In the case of Sony, the fantastic Canon 24-70Lmk2 f/2.8 with MC-11 adapter cannot autofocus while shooting video. Hard to sell that to an events Sony photographer using adapted Canon glass to shoot some clips of an event. Even a casual family event being limited to stills only is an issue with me. There's a good reason why many use native Emount glass with Sony for versatility of stills and video.

The lack of red focus assist with Sony bodies with adapted Canon glass in low light is a disaster. While performing bounced flash photography it never misses a beat due to the red focus assist. This is why I own Canon mirrored bodies to be used with native glass. Using adapted glass really suites a great advantage of shooting stills.

I'm sorry, did I strike a nerve?

Again, nothing you've shown here has ANYTHING to do with different cameras, only lenses. I've used my friend's a7Riii with adapted glass on numerous occasions, in fact he uses the Sigma 150-600mm on it all the time for birding... never seems to complain, in fact all he seems to do is talk about how much better it is than his 5D3 (yes, I realize the 5D4 is better than the 5D3).

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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18849809
I'm sorry, did I strike a nerve?

Again, nothing you've shown here has ANYTHING to do with different cameras, only lenses. I've used my friend's a7Riii with adapted glass on numerous occasions, in fact he uses the Sigma 150-600mm on it all the time for birding... never seems to complain, in fact all he seems to do is talk about how much better it is than his 5D3 (yes, I realize the 5D4 is better than the 5D3).

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Take a browse through his Instagram, seems to be doing just fine https://www.instagram.​com/dustin.burket_phot​ography/

He also ONLY has 1 native E mount lens, the new Tamron 28-75/2.8.

I'm aware of the cons, so far you haven't shown anything that couldn't be achieved easily with adapted glass... so again, who are you trying to convince?

Oh, btw, he (and I) managed just fine at my friend's wedding... mind you, both of us had a fair share of drinks, still walked away with lots of keepers in a very low lit reception room

I handed my camera to a friend for this shot of us and Pam

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You keep doing you, Alan. Just be a little les condescending and hyperbolic about it

No convincing.....I've just displayed the difference in sun flares??? I'm confused that you think I'm convincing people. Lucas if you make an observation you set the tone for argument in many cases on the POTN. My thread was merely stating camera and lenses are simply tools!!

Your friends Long telephoto lens is f/5-6.3 so that is a good light lens used for outdoors. The 5dmk3 is aging and it's still a good performer for events photography as long as I'm bouncing flash or good available light. Indeed the 5dmk4 is just a different class both in body performance and image quality improvements over the 5dmk3. This is where your friends application in wildlife is a different type of photography unlike events photography in low contrast/low light situations.

I own the inexpensive great Bang for the buck Tamron Sony Emount 28-75 f/2.8. It's a well known fact that it's not a perfect performer in low light events photography. This is where the GM24-70 f/2.8 has advantages as well as a wider 24mm end. I speak with experience as I own that Tammy lens. Also the bokeh on that lens is very contrasty and nervous as bad as my previous Fuji 55-200mm. I'm not afraid to disclose any weakness of the gear I own. I do not use my Sony for events photography. I use and own the Canon 24-70 f/2.8mk2 for events purposes (which I seldom use)

There seems to be an acceptable share of light at the venue if your shooting f/1.4 at iso 3200. Yes I've seen photos you've taken on the fuji forum and I did notice a need for a wider fast lens like the 23 f/1.4 or 16mm f/1.4 for story telling. Friends don't let friends use a stofen on an external flash! Lucas you should explain the theory of light source and size of light source!! ok helpful constructive criticism is done!


Lucas..... Multi brand perhaps indicates brands in general. Here's a mix!!!!! Sony A73 with MC-11 with Canon 70-200 f/2.8IS mk2. Dreadful tracking but the keepers was worth it at a local mountain bird show. Closer proximity but lightening fast speed. If I owned my Sony GMaster 70-200 at the time I would have had much more keeper rates with excellent tracking. My Fuji X-t2 with 50-140mm had issues keeping up and was almost as bad as the Canon non native glass on Sony a73. Perhaps a different story if I owned an X-t3.

AlanU wrote in post #18849845
There seems to be an acceptable share of light at the venue if your shooting f/1.4 at iso 3200. Yes I've seen photos you've taken on the fuji forum and I did notice a need for a wider fast lens like the 23 f/1.4 or 16mm f/1.4 for story telling. Friends don't let friends use a stofen on an external flash! Lucas you should explain the theory of light source and size of light source!! ok helpful constructive criticism is done!

I guess you missed this part of my last post?

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #18849809
You keep doing you, Alan. Just be a little les condescending and hyperbolic about it

As I said, I handed the camera to a friend of that shot, it was then pushed up over a stop, flash was also on camera (the little XF-8), if you're actually interested in the light levels go look at my other shots from his wedding on my flickr, most are above ISO8000, but it doesn't really matter what I say to you, you'll run circles around the argument anyway.

One more thing; I'm guessing you don't get invited to weddings too often (as a guest)… I would never even think about bringing anything bigger than my little XF-8 as a guest to a wedding, I was even surprised my friend brought his TT-350, let alone any diffuser. We were both there to drink and have a good time, but thanks for the basic 101 lecture in flash photography

What causes the differences in the sunflare

Ok.... read through this whole thing, and boy am I confused. A few things we can agree upon...

1) Sony camera do a good job with adapted lenses. I personally think they do a whole heck of a lot better than Alan does. I was in Austin Texas for a year and a half, and spent a ton of weekends down 6th street and the clubs around there - shot with an a6300 and adapted Canon 85 f1.8 and 17-40 f4 with a metabones speed booster. I never had any serious issues with focus - at all. I didn't use flash, nor did I use any focus beam. Making blanket statements

2) No camera - whether with adapted or with same mfg glass, gets 100 percent keeper rate. There is a huge difference between not being able to focus (hunting endlessly), slow focus, wrong focus point used.

Broad statements like you "can" or "you can't" do x is just not accurate. I've shot over 50 sporting events indoor and out door with my Sony a7rIII with my canon 70-200 L IS II - no issues. Would the keeper rate be higher is the GM equivalent. Sure. But I came up with hundreds of "keepers" from each event. And more than enough images to be submitted. All Sony may have been better. All Canon might have had a keeper rate - but not in a meaningful way.

Is it perfect - heck no. When using the MC-11 which is usually reliable - sometimes it just checks outs. Stops working all together. I have to pull it and then remount it, and things are back to normal. Much more so on the a6300.... rarely on the a7. Stuff happens. But my 1Dx is not completely immune from the random times I need to pop the battery.

The reason I don't have all one brand.... because no one does everything best. No one. And I'm not going to buy and sell kits every time someone comes out with something new and leap frogs.

Alan U - really cool to see how the two lenses handle flair and how it impacts the overall image. I like the test.

Everyday - like the image of your buddy using the 150-600. I've been asked to do "on the cheap" a series of images of a corporate jet fleet. My longest current lens is a 400 - so would love to get the reach of the 600, without spending a bundle. Sold my EF 600 L.... not going to make that investment again, at least not for this project. Pay isn't enough. But glad to see its working for him - I want to get the EF version and use it with my adaptors. Thanks for sharing.

elitejp wrote in post #18849891
What causes the differences in the sunflare

The aperture blades inside the lens. This is also seen when shooting remote flash.

Croasdail wrote in post #18849916
Ok.... read through this whole thing, and boy am I confused. A few things we can agree upon...

1) Sony camera do a good job with adapted lenses. I personally think they do a whole heck of a lot better than Alan does. I was in Austin Texas for a year and a half, and spent a ton of weekends down 6th street and the clubs around there - shot with an a6300 and adapted Canon 85 f1.8 and 17-40 f4 with a metabones speed booster. I never had any serious issues with focus - at all. I didn't use flash, nor did I use any focus beam. Making blanket statements

2) No camera - whether with adapted or with same mfg glass, gets 100 percent keeper rate. There is a huge difference between not being able to focus (hunting endlessly), slow focus, wrong focus point used.

Broad statements like you "can" or "you can't" do x is just not accurate. I've shot over 50 sporting events indoor and out door with my Sony a7rIII with my canon 70-200 L IS II - no issues. Would the keeper rate be higher is the GM equivalent. Sure. But I came up with hundreds of "keepers" from each event. And more than enough images to be submitted. All Sony may have been better. All Canon might have had a keeper rate - but not in a meaningful way.

Is it perfect - heck no. When using the MC-11 which is usually reliable - sometimes it just checks outs. Stops working all together. I have to pull it and then remount it, and things are back to normal. Much more so on the a6300.... rarely on the a7. Stuff happens. But my 1Dx is not completely immune from the random times I need to pop the battery.

The reason I don't have all one brand.... because no one does everything best. No one. And I'm not going to buy and sell kits every time someone comes out with something new and leap frogs.

Alan U - really cool to see how the two lenses handle flair and how it impacts the overall image. I like the test.

Everyday - like the image of your buddy using the 150-600. I've been asked to do "on the cheap" a series of images of a corporate jet fleet. My longest current lens is a 400 - so would love to get the reach of the 600, without spending a bundle. Sold my EF 600 L.... not going to make that investment again, at least not for this project. Pay isn't enough. But glad to see its working for him - I want to get the EF version and use it with my adaptors. Thanks for sharing.

I've noticed the AF hunt to happen where I just do not get with my 5dmk3/4 in one shot during a reception. I was shooting my A73 with Sigma MC11 with my Canon 35 f/2IS. I do really enjoy the image quality but I was experiencing more propagation delay as I pushed the shutter button. I was getting a lag that I just didn't experience with my mirrored Canon bodies. I was getting a bit of AF hunt in a chinese restaurant during the reception. I ended up putting the Sony A73 in my gear bag. Results may vary but in my case in the restaurant I just didn't feel comfortable. AS of late I simply just do not use my Sony for hired events work since I still own the Canon bodies. I have zero interest in hired photography. I pick and choose and often decline my events now and much prefer semi pro classification....best thing I've done in my photography. Sony really is a beast but still not my primary system. Fuji still exists in my gearbag but I'm just waiting to see what xt4 does for me. Otherwise my 10 and 12yrs old will have a killer kit system to learn photography with......but knowing kids these days the iphone will be the tool of choice LOL!!

Multi system ownership is a compilation of great tools. It's a nice alternative that I fully appreciate.

Different render!!!

Sony with Canon lens