Accelerated market contraction for DSLRs

mike_d wrote in post #18856651
If you're trying to send pictures to people on dialup, that's a very small crowd today. Even uploading 350 MB on crappy DSL is faster than the USPS. I bet if you're 2 miles from Oracle's HQ, you have cable Internet available.

I don't care how long it takes to get TO them! And cable internet was costing (without any special promos) about 3x what I had to pay each month for DSL. If you are not routinely needing to send lots of data, and not routinely streaming videos to your PC/TV, paying for fast internet is not always a necessity for folks.
Things like Firefox Send (launched by Mozilla March 12, 2019) are nice...what did you do before that came into existence? I have used file sharing sites, but without a monthly subscriiption which is unnecessary due to irregular use, the file capacity is restrained.

mike_d wrote in post #18856631
They'd care when they can't trigger their manual flash or wireless strobe trigger from the hotshoe. This is like removing the headphone jack from a phone and telling people it's a courageous decision. No, you're breaking compatibility with decades worth of equipment for your own selfish needs.

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When Team Speed said "remote triggers", I thought he was referring to electronic shutter-release triggers. . Was that not the case? . Aren't there shutter releases that you affix to the hot shoe?

Was he talking about something that triggers off flashes? . I didn't know that such things even existed.

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Wilt wrote in post #18856635

to permit relatives to take a CD anywhere they want to print full resolution images, rather than using printing services offered by photo sharing sites
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For Xmas I gave all of our kids (all adults) external USB 3 DVD players because I knew they all had laptops with no ability to read DVDs. $20 each, a cheap Xmas gift.
DVD players also reduces the inconvenience of buying programs online download only, and then having to resurrect proof of ownership rights to install the same software on a new PC purchased a few years down the road after something in the old PC fails or gets too slow!

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Anywhere they want? . Are there still places that have equipment that receives DVDs? . Can you even still buy DVDs anymore?

I said "old school" because I think of DVDs and CDs as a thing of the past, and am not familiar with them still being available or in use anymore.


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856661
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When Team Speed said "remote triggers", I thought he was referring to electronic shutter-release triggers. . Was that not the case? . Aren't there shutter releases that you affix to the hot shoe?

Was he talking about something that triggers off flashes? . I didn't know that such things even existed.

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Yes, I believe the discussion is about triggering a flash when the shutter is triggered. That can be a simple manual-only hotshoe speedlte that only uses the center pin (like my $50 Yong Nuo) or a radio trigger such a various non-TTL models from Yong Nuo, Pocket Wizard, Cactus, Paul C Buff, Godox, etc, that send a simple FIRE NOW signal to the strobe when the hotshoe triggers the center pin.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856663
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Anywhere they want? . Are there still places that have equipment that receives DVDs? . Can you even still buy DVDs anymore?

I said "old school" because I think of DVDs and CDs as a thing of the past, and am not familiar with them still being available or in use anymore.

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you can still buy applications for your PC on DVD, although Adobe has eliminated that with their pay-to-Infinty model.
You can still buy DVD players for high quality audio in the home.
You can even still buy DVD auto stereo.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856663
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Anywhere they want? . Are there still places that have equipment that receives DVDs? . Can you even still buy DVDs anymore?

I said "old school" because I think of DVDs and CDs as a thing of the past, and am not familiar with them still being available or in use anymore.

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I have USB disc drive lying around that plays DVDs. DVDs are still for sale at Walmart and Target. Certainly not mainstream, but there are also some films that aren't on streaming sites, and cost as much to buy the DVD as it costs to buy from an online source.

Wilt wrote in post #18856653
I don't care how long it takes to get TO them! And cable internet was costing (without any special promos) about 3x what I had to pay each month for DSL. If you are not routinely needing to send lots of data, and not routinely streaming videos to your PC/TV, paying for fast internet is not always a necessity for folks.
Things like Firefox Send (launched by Mozilla March 12, 2019) are nice...what did you do before that came into existence? I have used file sharing sites, but without a monthly subscriiption which is unnecessary due to irregular use, the file capacity is restrained.

I've used Dropbox countless times to distribute pictures. They have free 2 GB accounts. Onedrive can do the same. I threw send.firefox.com out there because its free and doesn't even require creating an account.

I pay $65/mo for cable so it sounds like you have bottom of the barrel 1-2 Mbps DSL. If your Internet is uselessly slow, that's your choice.

mike_d wrote in post #18856671
I pay $65/mo for cable so it sounds like you have bottom of the barrel 1-2 Mbps DSL. If your Internet is uselessly slow, that's your choice.

'Useless' is relative...if you send lots of files, or download video streaming, high speed is necessary.
It is an unnecessary expense for those who merely get email or who attach only small files (like PDF) to their email.
The world is a spectrum of needs AND budgets.

Flash triggers... Not shutter triggers fired from the hot shoe. And Bluetooth triggering of a shutter is not great compared to RF triggers, based on my experiences.

Also no Canon camera can trigger another via Bluetooth if your goal was to shoot an array of cameras at once.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856663
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Anywhere they want? . Are there still places that have equipment that receives DVDs? . Can you even still buy DVDs anymore?

I said "old school" because I think of DVDs and CDs as a thing of the past, and am not familiar with them still being available or in use anymore.

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Most desktop PCs still come with a DVD-RW drive although they're now using a laptop drive instead of a full sized desktop model. They're not common in laptops under 15" although most 17" models still have them since they have the space. I'm sure those photo printing kiosks at Target or Costco have them too. Most people only use their drive once when they get a new computer and want to load Office 2010 or some card game they bought in 2007. I actually burn CD-R's with podcasts for the car since its the most hassle-free way to listen to them given the capability of the car's head unit. ie. no bluetooth limited to phone use only

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TeamSpeed wrote in post #18856676
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Flash triggers... Not shutter triggers fired from the hot shoe. And Bluetooth triggering of a shutter is not great compared to RF triggers, based on my experiences.
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What do you mean by "RF" triggers? . . I am not familiar with the term.


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Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856680
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What do you mean by "RF" triggers? . . I am not familiar with the term.

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RF= radio frequency, usually a 2.4 Ghz signal nowadays.

I find it interesting that there are people who see the value of digital photography, but not digital sharing/hosting of files.

Outside of instagram which I use as a marketing tool, I'm not on social media, but I really value digital file hosting.

For my photography business, the ability to share files digitally is pretty important. I host files to galleries for my clients to view while I'm post processing, and they appreciate the fact that they can get the on social media as early as the same day...even if they don't have the full album yet, and they don't have the high resolution files.

Once everything is fully processed, then I deliver full resolution files. For weddings, I always send a disk over...and by disk I mean USB drive, because the files typically won't fit on a single DVD-R, and more importantly because optical drives are less common now, but everyone has a USB port. I happen to have a USB optical drive for my macbook pro, and its pretty irritating when I have to pull that thing out in 2019. I'm not going to subjective people to that.

Outside of weddings, I give my clients a choice of hosting the full resolution files on google drive or sending a usb drive. I have yet to have anyone ask for a usb drive for a simple shoot where I'm delivering 50 photos. Google drive is pretty inexpensive. 100gb is $1.99 a month. I purge client files from google drive after a year (I keep them on local drives in case anyone wants them after a year), and 100gb is more than enough.

Most people have pretty reasonable bandwidth speeds these days so downloading photos is a non-issue. If reasonable internet speeds weren't the norm, netflix and all these streaming services wouldn't be dominating the way they are these days.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856663
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Anywhere they want? . Are there still places that have equipment that receives DVDs? . Can you even still buy DVDs anymore?

I said "old school" because I think of DVDs and CDs as a thing of the past, and am not familiar with them still being available or in use anymore.

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I don't think DVDs and CDs are quite in the past just yet thought they are rapidly headed that way. You can still buy them a places like WallyMart and Best buy both players and media. Now CF cards, that's another story. Needed one the other day as a friend stopped by for a photo hike and he forgot his. Stopped at Best buy and WallyMart and neither had CF cards any more. I lent him one of mine.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18856680
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What do you mean by "RF" triggers? . . I am not familiar with the term.

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Something like this. They are really handy as you can use them to either trigger remote flashes or with a different cable, trigger your camera remote. The RF (radio) ones have much greater range and accuracy.