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May 22, 2019 15:31 |  #16

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In a follow up to an earlier post of mine in which I indicated it was terrific that Adobe finally added a feature already in most of its smaller competitors, it does make me wonder why Adobe was so late to the party. I always thought Lightroom was supposed to be the raw processing standard. Based on my own experience, they are fast being overtaken in various ways by a significant number of excellent competitors. I suspect that eventually Adobe's control over the hearts and minds of a significant portion of their loyal user base will falter.

Perhaps they offered things like a sophisticated DAM years ahead of others. Some promised a robust DAM and never delivered. I've had multiple useful updates since 2017. It is possible Texture wasn't a priority. When I was shooting weddings, etc 5 years ago and if you offered me Texture over the capability of easily editing multiple files, a robust DAM and the export and print processes, I would not have chosen Texture. I didn't need it to produce crisp shots but it is sure a welcome addition. Makes it easier to get there.

LR responded to DXO's ClearView with Dehaze (or was it the other way around?). Last year they responded to C1's first look out of the box with a new profiles and improved Auto (Sensei) which is AI based. They even made Auto better with the 8.3 release, which they promised to do. Sensei is supposed continue training and keep getting better. I have read C1 responded to features customers wanted that LR/PS offered with the V12 release.

Competition is good. I know people were asking for a Texture feature. I know people think Adobe just sits around but LR6.14 and LR8.3 are like night and day, for me anyway.


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May 22, 2019 15:37 |  #17

I forgot to say I could never see myself using Texture very much for weddings, events, etc. Nice feature for wildlife, etc. Portrait shooters are reporting nice skin smoothing using it in the negative direction.


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May 22, 2019 20:45 |  #18

Now I remember something about taking so long to implement. C1 is known for it's colour and I back that. They are very good with that. During last upgrade they offered the use of Colorchecker Passport which provides an accurate industry standard. I used it in 2011 when I got LR5. Why did it take C1 so long? :-)


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May 23, 2019 00:16 |  #19

mwsilver wrote in post #18865661 (external link)
In an earlier post of mine I indicated it was terrific that Adobe finally added a feature already present in most of its smaller competitors' software. After a bit more thought, it does make me wonder why Adobe was so late to the party. I always thought Lightroom was supposed to be the raw processing standard. Based on my own recent experience over the last two years, they are fast being overtaken in various ways by a significant number of excellent competitors. At this rate I suspect that eventually Adobe's control over the hearts and minds of a significant portion of their loyal user base will falter.

The reality is that while software X may have one feature that software Y doesn't, that does not mean that software Y is being overtaken when it does a whole bunch of things better than X.

LR has a host of excellent DAM features and Development features and can handle printing as well. Hopefully the competition will continue to develop and become better but at the moment Lightroom is a more capable single package option than any of the competition.


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Dan Marchant wrote in post #18865921 (external link)
The reality is that while software X may have one feature that software Y doesn't, that does not mean that software Y is being overtaken when it does a whole bunch of things better than X.

LR has a host of excellent DAM features and Development features and can handle printing as well. Hopefully the competition will continue to develop and become better but at the moment Lightroom is a more capable single package option than any of the competition.

I said fast being overtaken and eventually support will falter as Adobes competition continues to get better and better at what they are doing. Adobe never really had this much quality competition over the years as it was establishing itself as an industry standard, but now, its vulnerable. Just because one has become a major market player doesn't mean it will always stay that way. Competition and markets change. Take a look at Bethlehem Steel, or Sears for example. Adobe's premier applications may once again be relegated to mostly professional use as all the very competent lower priced alternatives continues to grow in popularity.


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May 23, 2019 08:30 |  #21

Remember what LR was designed for. A fast and efficient non destructive editor for mass editing. I doubt if working pros shooting weddings, etc processing thousands of images every week were really worried too much about not having Texture. Competition is forcing Adobe to make changes that only benefit myself.

Adobe just doesn't have LR. They have multiple apps and l know it is hard to believe but some love the cloud which offers accessing images on multiple platforms. Your files are always backed up. A cable tech was at our house about a month told kids today live with their phones in their hands. That is the future. Maybe not my future but it is.

So your saying Adobe will die because of competition but I'm not so sure about that. They are well ahead of the competition in many areas. Have you seen how many apps and services they offer? What does this mean to me? Not much. Don't really care as long as they continue to provide me what I want - a desktop app. If they leave me behind then I'll find something else. If some competitor does really blow my socks off then I'll look into it. Right now LR/PS is a pretty powerful combination for me.

Again this thread started out as a new fantastic new Texture slider and turned into Adobe sucks and will die from the competition. :-) I don't mind, these conversations are interesting. That happens on all the forums. I did point out that Adobe did not just add Texture since going subscription. They added and made improvements too long to list since version 6.14. They may not be ones you want but maybe others do?


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May 23, 2019 15:42 |  #22

digital paradise wrote in post #18866025 (external link)
Remember what LR was designed for. A fast and efficient non destructive editor for mass editing. I doubt if working pros shooting weddings, etc processing thousands of images every week were really worried too much about not having Texture. Competition is forcing Adobe to make changes that only benefit myself.

Adobe just doesn't have LR. They have multiple apps and l know it is hard to believe but some love the cloud which offers accessing images on multiple platforms. Your files are always backed up. A cable tech was at our house about a month told kids today live with their phones in their hands. That is the future. Maybe not my future but it is.

So your saying Adobe will die because of competition but I'm not so sure about that. They are well ahead of the competition in many areas. Have you seen how many apps and services they offer? What does this mean to me? Not much. Don't really care as long as they continue to provide me what I want - a desktop app. If they leave me behind then I'll find something else. If some competitor does really blow my socks off then I'll look into it. Right now LR/PS is a pretty powerful combination for me.

Again this thread started out as a new fantastic new Texture slider and turned into Adobe sucks and will die from the competition. :-) I don't mind, these conversations are interesting. That happens on all the forums. I did point out that Adobe did not just add Texture since going subscription. They added and made improvements too long to list since version 6.14. They may not be ones you want but maybe others do?

If you are referring to my most recent post, I never suggested Adobe would die, nor did I say any of it's products suck. Unlike some here, my reasons for abandoning LR was not because I'm adverse to a subscription plan. What I said was Adobe today has a lot of strong competitors whose software is improving in both quality and features from year to year. This level of quality competition did not exist years ago.

Once upon a time ownership of Photoshop and Lightroom was prohibitive as a result of the very high initial cost and expensive upgrades for their standalone versions. Those who bought it were mostly pros and well healed or dedicated amateurs. The user base probably expanded quite considerably when LR and PS was marketed as a single package for only $10 per month. All of a sudden, virtually any photographer could afford to have industry standard photo software at their finger tips. It was, and is, an absolute bargain.

Since then many people had indicated a strong dislike for a subscription plan, (I hate it when people refer to it as renting their software). In addition, many people realize , recently fueled by Adobe's marketing gaff, that the $10 monthly fee will likely be increased at some point in the future. Those concerns, along with the rise of a number of competent and relatively less expensive alternatives, will likely have a impact on Adobe's user base, especially for those users originally tempted by the modest $10 per month fee. We see the effects of these concerns every day as more and more previous Adobe users are moving to Affinity Photo, Capture One, DXO Photolab, Skylum, ON1 and other software

The number of discussions on this subject that we are now seeing on this and other photography sites is a relatively new phenomenon as a result of a dislike of the subscription plan, fear of price increases, and a growing list of competent alternatives. This trend seems to be expanding noticeably from month to month. That's in a nutshell is my point. If Adobe's products get more expensive and there are viable cheaper alternatives, their user base may shrink.


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