Export C1 to Lightroom CC inconsistencies

I have found that some of my older images taken on a Fuji X-T2 when exported from C1 will be altered when imported into Lightroom CC. My objective is to have no adjustments to my imports to Lightroom CC. In fact newer images don't do this (I am using the same Process recipe). I am not sure what the difference is. One thing I thought might be the delimiter is my older images were originally imported into Lightroom CC before I switched over to C1. Not sure if that is a factor or not. I have only used C1 12 so the engine for all images is already set to that.

Anyone seen anything like this or have any thoughts as to what I can check might be different between these exports?

Edit: to clear up some confusion... I am exporting JPEGs from C1 to LR CC... Sorry, didn't think to spell that out as exporting RAW is not something that would have crossed my mind...

What’s the same process recipe.

..."exported from C1". Exported to what format?

..."altered when imported into Lightroom CC". Altered how? So the exported files are now stored in the Adobe cloud?

What is the purpose of importing them to Lightroom? For DAM purposes only? To view them on other devices? Color managed devices?

Two Hot Shoes wrote in post #18869436
What’s the same process recipe.

When I am exporting from C1, I used the same process recipe. Meaning all my exports should be done with the same settings...

You aren't giving us specific/meaningful information as to what you are doing. You need to Elie's questions

tzalman wrote in post #18869569
..."exported from C1". Exported to what format?

..."altered when imported into Lightroom CC". Altered how? So the exported files are now stored in the Adobe cloud?

What is the purpose of importing them to Lightroom? For DAM purposes only? To view them on other devices? Color managed devices?

Each shot that was altered had it's own edits made in Lightroom CC that I had to reset to zero. Light, color, effects, detail, ect... But new images taken didn't have any edits here, they imported all at zero and looked like they did when I exported them from C1...

Yes, I am using Lightroom CC to store my processed RAW files in JPEG form sent to the cloud to leverage galleries and Adobe Portfolio... My Fuji RAWs are stored in C1, my older Canon RAWs are stored in Lightroom Classic, both exported to Lightroom CC...


My older Fuji RAWs have edits applied by Lightroom CC after being imported and no longer match what they look like in C1, but new images don't and match exactly. For those older images that are being changed by Lightroom CC, I basically have to "reset to original" to get them back to match what they look like in C1...

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18869905
You aren't giving us specific/meaningful information as to what you are doing. You need to Elie's questions

Export two Fuji RAW files each using the same process recipe... I then import both of those RAWs into Lightroom CC, one will have adjustments applied by Lightroom (sliders are no longer at zero) and the other will not. The image with Lightroom adjustments no longer matches what I have in C1, the other RAW does. If I reset to original the RAW files that was adjusted by Lightroom, it will match how it looks in C1 again.

There must be something about my older Fuji files that Lightroom is reading, or maybe vise versa... I am not sure what other information to supply that might show what the difference is between these RAWs files in C1. The engine used in C1 for all my files is version 12.

I have more to export this weekend and will grab some screen clips of my settings. I am hoping to find at what point in time the delineation occurs as well...

Try creating a new LR catalog (a fresh catalog) and do the import test again and see if the problem still occurs. If it does not, the current (not the brand new one) LR catalog is applying settings that it has stored in the catalog to the image that had the same filename at some previous point in your workflow, perhaps?

I am assuming that you are exporting a TIFF or other RGB image to LR, because the file you are exporting has changes from C1 baked into it. You can also try exporting the image from C1 with a different filename (just add some custom text or a token to the automatically created filename) and see if this changes the result in the current LR catalog (i.e., you do not need to create a new catalog). I do not know enough about the LR catalog database to know if this will trigger LR to treat the file as a new entry.

kirk

Export raw from Capture One to import to Lr?

That makes zero sense.

Im guessing this is human error and that you need to rethink your workflow. Literally forget everything you're doing and decide what your ultimate goal is and the best way to approach it.

If you post that goal I'm sure we can better help out.

kirkt wrote in post #18870300
Try creating a new LR catalog (a fresh catalog) and do the import test again and see if the problem still occurs. If it does not, the current (not the brand new one) LR catalog is applying settings that it has stored in the catalog to the image that had the same filename at some previous point in your workflow, perhaps?

I am assuming that you are exporting a TIFF or other RGB image to LR, because the file you are exporting has changes from C1 baked into it. You can also try exporting the image from C1 with a different filename (just add some custom text or a token to the automatically created filename) and see if this changes the result in the current LR catalog (i.e., you do not need to create a new catalog). I do not know enough about the LR catalog database to know if this will trigger LR to treat the file as a new entry.

kirk

The Lightroom CC catalog was brand new as I just started using it... But I can give that a shot incase I managed to change something in LR... But what has me scratching my head is two Fuji files are handled differently... I think the problem might reside with C1 and something in the file is being embedded that LR is simply reading, but I can't figure out what...

I have been exporting JPEGs, but I will try TIFFs, didn't thing to try that...

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18870301
Export raw from Capture One to import to Lr?

That makes zero sense.

Im guessing this is human error and that you need to rethink your workflow. Literally forget everything you're doing and decide what your ultimate goal is and the best way to approach it.

If you post that goal I'm sure we can better help out.

Why? I am using LR CC to leverage the cloud... C1 is has my RAWs and doing all my processing there... Not sure why you would think this doesn't make sense...

No user error, C1 is either embedding different exif or metadata into each of the two exports and is being read differently by LR. Or LR is reading some common attribute differently based on some internal factor...

Raw means no edits are present in the file. If there is a sidecar xmp with the raw, that file is intended for use with the application that created it, not every other raw editor.

If for some reason Lr is trying to apply the edits in the C1 xmp file it is no surprise at all the results are different.

If you want to use Lr to store edited files on the cloud, export tiffs or jpgs from C1 to import into Lr.

Alternatively you can point Lr and C1 to the same folder ... there was a thread somewhere here about doing just that a week or two ago. They will not pick up each other's edits.

Rereading my post, does C1 even export any settings with raw files? I have only exported raw/dng from them one time and that was years ago.

Think you might have missed one of my replies above, I am not exporting RAW, I am exporting JPEG... I didn't think to put that in the original post, as I just assumed no one would be exporting RAWs and not expect each processor to interpret them differently... If Lightroom was importing a RAW file, then yeah I would expect it to apply it's own adjustments based on the sidecar... I wouldn't expect the importing application to apply adjustments to a JPEG file (unless it was applying a profile or style on import like LR Classic lets you do)...

That's what makes it so odd to me... Same camera, same process recipe in C1 (files all exported as JPEG using the same settings)...

I am going to do some more exports this weekend and will grab some screen clips of my process...

Oh, the following was what I was going on and did miss your reply to kirk.

SuperSirLink wrote in post #18870270
Export two Fuji RAW files each using the same process recipe... I then import both of those RAWs into Lightroom CC, one will have adjustments applied by Lightroom (sliders are no longer at zero) and the other will not. The image with Lightroom adjustments no longer matches what I have in C1, the other RAW does. If I reset to original the RAW files that was adjusted by Lightroom, it will match how it looks in C1 again.

There must be something about my older Fuji files that Lightroom is reading, or maybe vise versa... I am not sure what other information to supply that might show what the difference is between these RAWs files in C1. The engine used in C1 for all my files is version 12.

I have more to export this weekend and will grab some screen clips of my settings. I am hoping to find at what point in time the delineation occurs as well...

You can strip all the metadata when coming out of C1, that would be my starting point.

Given your situation, I would suspect Lr rather than C1 as the program causing the problem, it might be latching on to something that remains in the jpg/tiff/whatever file.