Addicted to Styles/Presets (?)

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18892290
and answered it in a way to encourage further learning.

You still haven't explained how the "answer" makes any sense. I don't think you can explain it.

OMG, all this bickering, and little of it seems pertinent to answering the question posted in OP! C'mon kids, let's try and focus.

Wilt wrote in post #18892605
OMG, all this bickering, and little of it seems pertinent to answering the question posted in OP! C'mon kids, let's try and focus.

Try breathing into a paper bag until your heart stops fluttering.

The “answer” asserts that art is as much “intention”, as it is “aesthetic”. Just because that goes over your head, doesn’t mean it is “nonsensical”. Or, are you just being obtuse?

I think that everyone understands the point, and I seriously don’t think that we need to discuss this further.

plantastic wrote in post #18893669
The “answer” asserts that art is as much “intention”, as it is “aesthetic”. Just because that goes over your head, doesn’t mean it is “nonsensical”. Or, are you just being obtuse?

It asserts no such thing. That is your subjective interpretation of the meaning of, "somebody had to decide when to pick it up." Don't mistake it for the literal meaning of the words.

Apricane wrote in post #18893702
I think that everyone understands the point,

I don't share your confidence about that. "The point" is far from clear from the explicit meaning of the words. If you add your subjective interpretation to the meaning of the words and are happy with that, fine. But please don't suggest that the objective meaning of "somebody had to decide when to pick it up" is understandable. You can begin with the the antecedent of the pronoun "it." What does "it" refer to? And what does "pick it up" mean? Since we don't know the antecedent of "it," we can't possibly know what is supposedly "picked up."

It may be subjectively clear and satisfying, but it is objectively nonsense.

Peano wrote in post #18893753
But please don't suggest that the objective meaning of "somebody had to decide when to pick it up" is understandable. You can begin with the the antecedent of the pronoun "it." What does "it" refer to? And what does "pick it up" mean? Since we don't know the antecedent of "it," we can't possibly know what is supposedly "picked up."

English comprehension 101. "It" is clearly defined in the preceding sentence.

Dan Marchant wrote in post #18893775
English comprehension 101. "It" is clearly defined in the preceding sentence.

You might be right about this, however the sentence structure (both in terms of syntax and use of punctuation) is so bad in the original statement that it might confuse matters that much more.

Peano wrote in post #18893753
I don't share your confidence about that. "The point" is far from clear from the explicit meaning of the words. If you add your subjective interpretation to the meaning of the words and are happy with that, fine. But please don't suggest that the objective meaning of "somebody had to decide when to pick it up" is understandable. You can begin with the the antecedent of the pronoun "it." What does "it" refer to? And what does "pick it up" mean? Since we don't know the antecedent of "it," we can't possibly know what is supposedly "picked up."

It may be subjectively clear and satisfying, but it is objectively nonsense.

I agree with you, but I think you've made your point and other people have defended it, and there's a refusal to agree to disagree. Let's drop this, it's going nowhere.

Apricane wrote in post #18893898
You might be right about this, however the sentence structure (both in terms of syntax and use of punctuation) is so bad in the original statement that it might confuse matters that much more.

I agree with you, but I think you've made your point and other people have defended it, and there's a refusal to agree to disagree. Let's drop this, it's going nowhere.

'It' (in blue) is the discussion in this thread!

Peano wrote in post #18893753
I don't share your confidence about that. "The point" is far from clear from the explicit meaning of the words. If you add your subjective interpretation to the meaning of the words and are happy with that, fine. But please don't suggest that the objective meaning of "somebody had to decide when to pick it up" is understandable. You can begin with the the antecedent of the pronoun "it." What does "it" refer to? And what does "pick it up" mean? Since we don't know the antecedent of "it," we can't possibly know what is supposedly "picked up."

It may be subjectively clear and satisfying, but it is objectively nonsense.

Ahhh, I see now...you're arguing the semantics of sentence structure and grammar. Well, then you are probably, objectively, the mostest right! Good job, dude!

Wilt wrote in post #18894043
'It' (in blue) is the discussion in this thread!

I beg your pardon there? The OP topic is a perfectly legit one, asking for people’s personal opinions on different subjects is what a forum is for.

What are you doing here in this thread if you’re clearly not interested in contributing?

Apricane wrote in post #18894200
I beg your pardon there? The OP topic is a perfectly legit one, asking for people’s personal opinions on different subjects is what a forum is for.

What are you doing here in this thread if you’re clearly not interested in contributing?

The discussion had morphed into the argument about an antecedent (or lack thereof) preceding the word 'it'.
So I thought I would (facetiously) clarify for anyone that your use of 'it' in your sentence,

"Let's drop this, it's going nowhere."

referred to (this discussion) is going nowhere."

Yes, OP topic is perfectly legit, before the tangential discussion of antecedents and artistic intention made it venture into the weeds.
I talked about Presets very early in the thread. And what fraction of the posts answered your OP question?! I see only ONE additional post (other than my two posts, counting this one) that even use the word 'Preset' or 'Style' in their response!

Wilt wrote in post #18894301
The discussion had morphed into the argument about an antecedent (or lack thereof) preceding the word 'it'.
So I thought I would (facetiously) clarify for anyone that your use of 'it' in your sentence,

"Let's drop this, it's going nowhere."

referred to (this discussion) is going nowhere."

Yes, OP topic is perfectly legit, before the tangential discussion of antecedents and artistic intention made it venture into the weeds.
I talked about Presets very early in the thread. And what fraction of the posts answered your OP question?! I see only ONE additional post (other than my two posts, counting this one) that even use the word 'Preset' or 'Style' in their response!

And I'm not sure why you're quoting my post to make that point, especially since it's exactly what I was saying... basically I was suggesting that the discussion could indeed be dropped since it was leading nowhere.

...as far as your contribution, I certainly saw it, and it was a cop out (i.e. the famous "it's a personal preference/perspective​"). Since I was both offended by the implication that I didn't know this was a matter of personal opinion, and that in a thread where I was proposing to discuss such preferences, I felt that pointing this out this early would just derail the discussion. Something worse came along and the thread was unrecoverable.

This really doesn't need to be driven home further.

I am sorry that Reality was a cop out.

I'm out.