New Sony 61 mpx camera.

A7 RIV just announced.....

https://www.dpreview.c​om …93/sony-introduces-a7r-iv

That battle heats up.

Canon is so woefully behind...

Croasdail wrote in post #18894621
A7 RIV just announced.....

https://www.dpreview.c​om …93/sony-introduces-a7r-iv

That battle heats up.

So what brand are you changing from, seeing this is the changing brands forum? Now, considering Sony lost market share last year and Canon increased, any battle is more like a skirmish.

javig999 wrote in post #18894816
Canon is so woefully behind...

The build quality will be nice to hear more about in reviews.A7R iv has 74% coverage for AF which is less than the Canon EOS R. That was one surprise. For a landscape type camera, I thought they would exceed it. The new Sony screen is 3 inches and 1.44 million dots, considerably less than the EOS R's 3.15 inch and 2.1 million articulating screen. Sure its just one piece of the puzzle, but what corners were cut or what corners freshly carved?

Curious if the back touch screen not functioning for Jared Polin will be explained later. Wonder if he missed a feature or if there's lag time, or were his hands too dry.

But the EVF - what you really use is 5.76m-Dot Tru-Finder OLED EVF, significantly more than the Canon's. Not too worried about the 74% coverage on AF... this is an improved focus system over the A7 III and that system was superior to Canon's R focus performance even after the update. For right now Sony has a measurable lead in focus performance. My main issue right now is not everything I shoot needs 61 mpx, and having a small raw would be nice. Don't really want to jump down to JPGs of I don't have to. From what I have read though is that issue will be fixed in firmware update.

We shall see after it gets into the hands of some real shooters. Wedding, Events, Scenic, astrophotographers etc should love this thing. 15 stops... that is awesome ...

With the crop feature its 2 cameras in one.

Also look forward to the ar3 price drop.

I'm interested in how this camera works with the Sony 200-600.

Jotto123 wrote in post #18895864
With the crop feature its 2 cameras in one.

Also look forward to the ar3 price drop.

The A7R3 can already crop pretty well to 18mp

As good as the old R3 is, the new AF algorithm is simply awesome and near foolproof. As good as the A9 was, it had some issues sticking on subjects when adapting glass, and sometimes AF would get tripped up if you deviated from a portion.... When blessed with the new firmware, I was shocked how adapted lenses could handle high action.

it's really a huge selling point, the new tracking algorithm that basically defaults to eyes when possible, head if not, then body. It's really fantastic for dynamic scenarios, and a no nonsense way of framing your subjects while actively tracking seemlessly. One of the big reasons why I prefer using the A9 whenever possible is due to it's super ability to work in any scenario.

61 mpx is nice, but the main thing that's got me seriously considering switching to the Sony system is their af tech. My current camera is a NIkon d700, which has been great for getting started and learning. But lately I've been dreaming of not having to spend so much time/energy moving focusing points around, as well has having more pixels to be able to shoot a bit looser and crop in. I demoed the a7r iii at a photofair a few months ago, and was left with the conclusion that "if they add the object tracking from the A9, it will be exactly what I'm looking for"

No, don't think a better camera is going to instantly make me a better photographer or "take better photos," but for me, being able to just let the camera handle the focusing as I focus on engaging genuinely with the person in front of me would be a game changer.

Wish Fuji's AF tech was as good. Rest everything I like Fuji. Sony would definitely save me some money but I don't like their cameras (I know I know, it is a tool and I can adjust but why). But I do like Sony putting all these new AF features. Now if they could start doing some computational photography, that will be great.

Lori Linstruth wrote in post #18896324
61 mpx is nice, but the main thing that's got me seriously considering switching to the Sony system is their af tech. My current camera is a NIkon d700, which has been great for getting started and learning. But lately I've been dreaming of not having to spend so much time/energy moving focusing points around, as well has having more pixels to be able to shoot a bit looser and crop in. I demoed the a7r iii at a photofair a few months ago, and was left with the conclusion that "if they add the object tracking from the A9, it will be exactly what I'm looking for"

No, don't think a better camera is going to instantly make me a better photographer or "take better photos," but for me, being able to just let the camera handle the focusing as I focus on engaging genuinely with the person in front of me would be a game changer.

when tracking a singular person, the R3 does a pretty good job, just mash the eye button, and with the latest firmware, simply autofocus. It can be hit or miss with multiple people, you need to move the focus medium on said person, then mash the eye button, and you're golden. In the case of the A9, point and lock. Tends to stick and wont let go, the algorithm isnt perfect, but works plenty well.

I was watching a video by Manny ortiz with 10fps tracking on the R4, and indeed, it looks like they made it with less delay between shots, a flaw of the R3 @ 10fps (good @8fps).

it looks like it'll be an excellent camera with very good refinements.

For the most part, tracking humans is very easy with the R3, like a snapshot camera on the A9 though, just hard to miss. IMO, portraits, the R2 and on does it with a breeze, anywhere on the frame, toggle free AF. High intensity sports is where this new AF algorithm really shines, and the fact it's so stupid simple is appealing as well. IMO, due to how well the new object tracking works, it's fairly future proof. Sony will improve on it over time, but if you've got the newest object tracking, you should be in good shape for many many years.

bobbyz wrote in post #18896400
Wish Fuji's AF tech was as good. Rest everything I like Fuji. Sony would definitely save me some money but I don't like their cameras (I know I know, it is a tool and I can adjust but why). But I do like Sony putting all these new AF features. Now if they could start doing some computational photography, that will be great.

Bobby,

I took soooooo long to warm up to Sony. I seriously struggled so bad in using the system. Now I almost care so little for the Fuji aps-c system. My recent family outing I lugged my 3 kids as they are going stir crazy during summer break. I brought out the X-t2 with 16mm and 56mm. The images are great but even minor pixel peeping I find the images grainy even at low iso. My eyes are still accustomed to my 5dmk4 and A73 caliber of noise control. My A73 provides me such clean effortless images. I do not own the GMaster 24 f/1.4 but I do own the Sigma 24 f/1.4 ART. I'll say the images I get with the A73/24mm ART simply destroys the IQ of my X-t2 with 16mm f/1.4 (f/2.1 dof ff equiv)

I know you're a top feeder fuji GFX50S owner IQ is simply AMAZING. Most Fuji aps-c shooters will not dive into the GFX line. The GFX50R is unusable as far as ergonomic of a piece of wood 2x4. The X-t2 or x-t3 with battery grip still has a tiny dreadful bump that is not ergonomic at all. This is where the Sony newer gen bodies have a nice confident grip.

The new A7r4 has a customized button so that you can instantly go into your "my Menu" or aka favourite folder. This streamlines the Sony camera even more now!!

I know the GFX creates 3d images. This is where with Sony I find it looks much different even compared with my FF Canon 5dmk4. Sony still seems to have a more 3d presentation than my Canon bodies with L glass.

Since tools are tools It'd be quite interesting to compare the Sony A7r4 with a Sigma 35mm f/1.2 with other brands. I still can't get over so many 61MP but for people that need it I think it's such a nice option for a Sony shooter.

The versatility is one of the big factors. Using sony's high res camera bodies and suddenly snapping 10 fps is a WOW factor for a universal beast.

Croasdail wrote in post #18895832
For right now Sony has a measurable lead in focus performance. .

Actually, I saw a Canon reviewed recently which after firmware, tracked focus as good as what some people showed from the Sony A7R iv the other day. In fact, comparing the sample videos shown, the Sony looked worse. So I suspect there's barely any lead of significance worth boasting about right now. Certainly the A7R iv is worth $3500.

In another thread Teamspeed mentioned a phone in some context. I thought it was a good example. The lack of menu control via touch screen on the A7R iv could seem like using a cell phone without touch to use apps. For some people. A few would not mind. But for people used to screens, it would be comparable to using a cell phone and needing dials and buttons to make every call, scroll, use the apps, etc.. It would bug the daylights out of certain people. For screen functionality Canon and Nikon have beat the living daylights out the new Sony.

And that goes right back to the ergonomic and menu rut Sony continues to dig. It's actually a surprise Sony changed the grip. But certainly users will appreciate them finally getting behind the 8 Ball on that one.

Right now, it looks like the Sony A7r iii and the A9 may be the best bang for the buck.

I have to say I have been disappointed with canon AF of late.

I have a 1dx2 and a 300mm 2.8 mk2 and it's a struggle to get it to nail focus on an eyeball for instance.

The Sony eye AF may just be enough to get me to jump ship.

fordmondeo wrote in post #18902192
I have to say I have been disappointed with canon AF of late.

I have a 1dx2 and a 300mm 2.8 mk2 and it's a struggle to get it to nail focus on an eyeball for instance.

The Sony eye AF may just be enough to get me to jump ship.

You know canon does eye af, right?

Does the 1dx2 do eye af?
The best my 6d can do is face detect in live view. But the 1dx2 is a different beast for sure