EOS R TECH THREAD- Its time for others who will jump into canon Mirrorless bodies

crofter wrote in post #18982978
Press the info button until you get he standard screen view you would on a DSLR,the camera then behaves like a DSLR in that you can have the preview of shots when taken (2 secs or whatever ), it then returns to the same screen,one press on the view button or whatever it's called lets you view all the photos you've taken as with any DSLR I've used.If you switch the camera off and on again this setup remains until you press the info button to return to live view.Page 62 of the manual.Hope this helps.

Perhaps I'm not being clear: I want to compose through the EVF, keep live view on the rear screen OFF, but have the rear screen available for reviews. There's a workaround to enable this. It takes a programming an additional button to switch between the EVF and the rear screen. Hit that, the EVF switches off, the rear screen goes into live view. Next, press the review button. Only then do images come up on the rear screen. THEN the info button does what you said it will - the issue is getting to that point in the first place. And not having the camera revert to live view on the rear screen after one finishes reviewing images. It's an extra step each way, a song and dance that wasn't required on Canon dslr bodies.

Camera in hand right now: if I have the rear screen "live", the info button only cycles between a screen with the level and histogram, and one without it. It doesn't put the camera into review mode. Are we talking about the same thing?

I appreciate the assistance: I'm finding setup on the R to be very different from the Canon bodies I've used for the past 25 years.

john crossley wrote in post #18983003
When I’m shooting with the EOS-R I have the rear screen in the closed position facing inwards. Any adjustments that I need to make can be made by pressing various buttons and turning dials, and reviewing images can be done through the viewfinder (which I much prefer).

Sure, if you want to review images in the viewfinder, something that is now possible with an EVF, there's no issue. But if one wants to see things on the larger rear screen, with two eyes open, some other setup choices are needed. That's what I much prefer

Jimlevitt wrote in post #18983017
Perhaps I'm not being clear: I want to compose through the EVF, keep live view on the rear screen OFF, but have the rear screen available for reviews. There's a workaround to enable this. It takes a programming an additional button to switch between the EVF and the rear screen. Hit that, the EVF switches off, the rear screen goes into live view. Next, press the review button. Only then do images come up on the rear screen. THEN the info button does what you said it will - the issue is getting to that point in the first place. And not having the camera revert to live view on the rear screen after one finishes reviewing images. It's an extra step each way, a song and dance that wasn't required on Canon dslr bodies.

Camera in hand right now: if I have the rear screen "live", the info button only cycles between a screen with the level and histogram, and one without it. It doesn't put the camera into review mode. Are we talking about the same thing?

I appreciate the assistance: I'm finding setup on the R to be very different from the Canon bodies I've used for the past 25 years.

In the menus you can turn OFF a lot of what the rear screen displays.
My rear screen only displays the shooting Info as per a DSLR, and if I press the Info button it the switches to LiveVIew, press it again an I am back at the Info screen.
When I look through the viewfinder the rear screen goes blank, when I move the camera away from my face the Info screen is displayed again.
To review images all I have to do is press the PlayBack button and the images are displayed on the rear screen. Press the PlayBack button again and the Info screen is displayed.

john crossley wrote in post #18983034
In the menus you can turn OFF a lot of what the rear screen displays.
My rear screen only displays the shooting Info as per a DSLR, and if I press the Info button it the switches to LiveVIew, press it again an I am back at the Info screen.
When I look through the viewfinder the rear screen goes blank, when I move the camera away from my face the Info screen is displayed again.
To review images all I have to do is press the PlayBack button and the images are displayed on the rear screen. Press the PlayBack button again and the Info screen is displayed.

Yup.

Jimlevitt wrote in post #18983021
Sure, if you want to review images in the viewfinder, something that is now possible with an EVF, there's no issue. But if one wants to see things on the larger rear screen, with two eyes open, some other setup choices are needed. That's what I much prefer

You are just going to have to acclimate to one of the two methods available to you.

1) You either let the proximity sensor switch between EVF and rear LCD for you.

or

2) You set up a button to switch between the two as you have need.

There is no other way. This is the way it is with Canon MILC cameras, R and M series.

Jimlevitt wrote in post #18982973
This sounds like an argument against including IS, either in lens, or in body. Really, are we headed back to those debates, after we've had IS on many lenses, for two decades already? Maybe you're pretty darn steady, steadier than others. Having seen some of your work, I'd say "probably." Maybe your version of indoors and low light is brighter than that of others. Could be.

All I know, I find myself between iso 6400 and 12800 for a large percentage of my images, and it's a rarity when I can get shutter speed faster than 1/250th. Even when it is bright enough, there are times where a slower shutter speed is desired for an effect, or more depth of field is in order. IS helps for all of that. I have a higher keeper rate of sharp images from the 70-200/2.8 L IS II than I do from the unstabilized 24-70/2.8 (on the 5D4). The 135/2L gets left at home, even for dark venues, in favor of the stabilized zoom. I was very happy Canon released the 85/1.4L IS.

This particular discussion has to do with a difference between Canon's dslr's and mirrorless cameras, regarding IS running whenever the camera is not in sleep mode. On the R, from all reports, IS is running a whole lot more than on the dslr's, as if the camera is in live view/movie mode all the time. Why should asking for this to be a controllable option, be controversial? Just like IS: if you don't want to use it, turn it off. Otherwise, for still photography, Canon ought to have a menu option allowing IS activity to function as it did before. Lens IS could be left "on" all the time, but would only be active after a half-press of the shutter or AF-On button.

As I stated, and perhaps you missed it, once the shutter speed falls under 1/(2x focal length), I use IS. So in your example 1/250th or slower would fall into my stated category for IS.

But then again, any action being shot at 1/250th or less won't really yield a good variety of action shots either, because if you are shooting moving subjects in low light, it won't really matter if you have IS on, it is highly likely most of the shots will be motion-blurred anyways.

There is a way to shut off IS now, usually my thumb is near the IS switch on the lens, so I can change it even easier then finding it in the menu.

As to my having better lighting than you are used to, I shoot many different sports in different venues, and even a few concerts on stage, and perhaps I do just have better lighting on all of these, but that would seem pretty improbable. I rarely ever have IS on, either with my mirrorless or my DSLRs, because my shutter speeds are faster than 1/400th 99% of the time with the 70-200. With the 100-400II however, I will use IS more because I will often be past my 2x focal length rule, so I need 1/800th or faster (when I use a 1.4x) and cannot always get that.

I received my R today and started playing around with the 100mm IS macro with it....
I immediately noticed the following interesting (for me anyway) scenarios:

1) If I remove the lens WITHOUT turning off the R nor the IS on the lens, the IS mechanism is not parked. It rattles around with the lens (I've never come across this with any of my other bodies before).

2) If I remove the lens AFTER turning the IS on the lens OFF, the IS mechanism is parked and doesn't rattle around.

3) If I turn off the R and wait 2~3 seconds, the IS mechanism is parked in the lens.

Just a curious finding this evening. I didn't even know that the IS mechanism could be "unparked". Not too big of a deal for me since I don't treat my equipment too roughly. Just an extra step/thought going forward.


My apologies if this has been covered earlier.

View_Finder wrote in post #18983423
I received my R today and started playing around with the 100mm IS macro with it....
I immediately noticed the following interesting (for me anyway) scenarios:

1) If I remove the lens WITHOUT turning off the R nor the IS on the lens, the IS mechanism is not parked. It rattles around with the lens (I've never come across this with any of my other bodies before).

2) If I remove the lens AFTER turning the IS on the lens OFF, the IS mechanism is parked and doesn't rattle around.

3) If I turn off the R and wait 2~3 seconds, the IS mechanism is parked in the lens.

Just a curious finding this evening. I didn't even know that the IS mechanism could be "unparked". Not too big of a deal for me since I don't treat my equipment too roughly. Just an extra step/thought going forward.


My apologies if this has been covered earlier.

Same with mine. Hasn't happened with any of the other lenses though.

View_Finder wrote in post #18983423
I received my R today and started playing around with the 100mm IS macro with it....
I immediately noticed the following interesting (for me anyway) scenarios:

1) If I remove the lens WITHOUT turning off the R nor the IS on the lens, the IS mechanism is not parked. It rattles around with the lens (I've never come across this with any of my other bodies before).

2) If I remove the lens AFTER turning the IS on the lens OFF, the IS mechanism is parked and doesn't rattle around.

3) If I turn off the R and wait 2~3 seconds, the IS mechanism is parked in the lens.

Just a curious finding this evening. I didn't even know that the IS mechanism could be "unparked". Not too big of a deal for me since I don't treat my equipment too roughly. Just an extra step/thought going forward.


My apologies if this has been covered earlier.

Working as it should then.

This one of my beefs about IS for both the R and RS. The IS does not shut off after 2 seconds. This only happens with DSLR's. Canon copied the DRLR LV instructions word for word over to the MLIC's. If you someone reads the lens instructions that say 2 seconds and uses for example an RF24-105 which you can hardly hear then it does not lock. There are no no cross reference instructions in the R manual that says the 2 second shut off does not apply to this or other MLRC's. As I said, an oversight.

You are supposed to shut the camera off before changing lenses but I have a feeling most don't. I have never but now have to be conscious to make sure the IS isn not running before I remove the lens. I have been turning the R off for this reason.

From a conversation on another forum.

A little more info. Turing the IS switch off won't help. I just turned the IS switch off on my RF24-105. I still hear it running but it is shaky. I could hear it shut off when I placed it on my desk and and Auto Off timed out. I just tried it on my 100-400 and the IS assembly shut down when I turned the IS switch off.

Yes, this will take a bit getting used to for me.

The default Power Saving settings were set for 1 minute for both the display off and auto power off. So, no, the IS does not operate for just 2 seconds after taking my finger off the shutter release button. Instead, the IS continues to run for the full 1 minute during which I cannot remove the lens.

The best I can do is have the Display Off setting set to the short duration (15 seconds). I can then remove the lens with the IS parked.


I've never powered off a camera to make lens changes (I make a LOT of lens changes when I shoot). With the R, I still have to wait about 2 seconds for it to actually park the IS. While it may seem like a minor inconvenience to many, it will be difficult for me when a dragonfly lands on the end of a stalk 2 feet away and I have to add another extension tube before it takes off.

I don't like having the screen come on automatically. I've never used LV before. I wish everything would turn off when I remove my finger off the shutter button.


But then again, I have to remember that I purchased the R to use as a street camera (I almost bought the Fuji X-Pro3 and X100F) so for that purpose I'm excited to try this out.

View_Finder wrote in post #18983700
Yes, this will take a bit getting used to for me.

The default Power Saving settings were set for 1 minute for both the display off and auto power off. So, no, the IS does not operate for just 2 seconds after taking my finger off the shutter release button. Instead, the IS continues to run for the full 1 minute during which I cannot remove the lens.

The best I can do is have the Display Off setting set to the short duration (15 seconds). I can then remove the lens with the IS parked.


I've never powered off a camera to make lens changes (I make a LOT of lens changes when I shoot). With the R, I still have to wait about 2 seconds for it to actually park the IS. While it may seem like a minor inconvenience to many, it will be difficult for me when a dragonfly lands on the end of a stalk 2 feet away and I have to add another extension tube before it takes off.

I don't like having the screen come on automatically. I've never used LV before. I wish everything would turn off when I remove my finger off the shutter button.


But then again, I have to remember that I purchased the R to use as a street camera (I almost bought the Fuji X-Pro3 and X100F) so for that purpose I'm excited to try this out.

Also depending on your viewfinder settings every time something covers it the cycle starts over. For example you are carrying on a sling and your arm waves over it.

Solutions if you don't want IS to run.

RF lenses. IS runs even with IS switch off. Set short Auto off and Viewfinder values for short durations or shut the camera off.

EF lenses. Chimp, press a menu button, turn IS switch off or turn camera off.

ECO mode does not shut IS off.