EOS R TECH THREAD- Its time for others who will jump into canon Mirrorless bodies

Correct, using the upper right quadrant works well and is in easy reach of the thumb on the Eos R, or M series.

That being said, the 1dxIII touch controller looks very cool and should have been what the touch bar is on the R, IMO.

RDKirk wrote in post #18988143
But it's not going to "change focus." It's going to focus where you've placed the focus point.

I have particularly changed back to shutter button focus for stage productions specifically so that I can use touch and drag with my right thumb to keep the focus point on the performer I want to focus on in that moment.

Glad that works well for you. We obviously have different techniques. I don't want my focus to change when I press the shutter, and in my case it would quite often, so I'll stick with BBF.

C Scott IV wrote in post #18988639
Glad that works well for you. We obviously have different techniques. I don't want my focus to change when I press the shutter, and in my case it would quite often, so I'll stick with BBF.

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C Scott IV wrote in post #18988639
Glad that works well for you. We obviously have different techniques. I don't want my focus to change when I press the shutter, and in my case it would quite often, so I'll stick with BBF.

I'm still wondering why you would even want AF with landscapes, I tend to have it off entirely and use the focus peaking or magnification depending on how fast I'm working that day.

Why do people keep arguing about the way OTHER people do things? It's one thing to offer advice, but it's an entirely different matter when they incessantly insist that they are doing it wrong and that their way is unacceptable. Give it a rest. Your camera. Your way. Their camera. Their way. Why is that so hard? (Rhetorical question, obviously.) Give it a rest.

Charlie wrote in post #18988673
I'm still wondering why you would even want AF with landscapes, I tend to have it off entirely and use the focus peaking or magnification depending on how fast I'm working that day.

Those methods would probably be fine with the EVF at eye level. It seems to me it would be more complicated than what I am currently doing.

I really struggle with glare and reflections so I would need to use a loupe to see the LCD well enough. That is something that won't fit in my backpack now that I use filters. Also, when the LCD is in various positions the loupe toggles the EVF on. Seems to be more complicated than what I am currently doing.

I think AF does a better job at focusing than I do. I still decide where I want to focus and let it do the rest.

Have you tried to use the 5x zoom as you are focusing? It isn't a great solution but it does seem useful from time to time. I actually have the touch bar set up to zoom in the two levels that are available and then back out so that when I focus on something static, I can use the digital zoom right then and there to see critical focus. I know several have the touchbar doing ISO, but I actually have the touchbar set up to help determine IQ, RGB histogram, 5x/10x zoom, etc. and put ISO elsewhere.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18988689
Have you tried to use the 5x zoom as you are focusing? It isn't a great solution but it does seem useful from time to time. I actually have the touch bar set up to zoom in the two levels that are available and then back out so that when I focus on something static, I can use the digital zoom right then and there to see critical focus. I know several have the touchbar doing ISO, but I actually have the touchbar set up to help determine IQ, RGB histogram, 5x/10x zoom, etc. and put ISO elsewhere.

I envy you! I have tried it in situations when there were no reflections on the LCD and I managed but those situations are few and far between. It was a slow process for me though. I had trouble focusing with my Minolta XG1 too, so AF is my friend!

I haven't tried it in the EVF.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18988597
That being said, the 1dxIII touch controller looks very cool and should have been what the touch bar is on the R, IMO.

As with a few more beautiful upgrades in the 1D MK III.


But then you wouldn't need to purchase the next version of the "R".

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18988516
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So, one hand on the lens and the other hand holding the camera and operating two buttons simultaneously - the shutter button with the index finger and the back button with the thumb.

I do not understand how any of you are using the rear screen to adjust focus points if you are shooting rapidly moving subjects and trying to hold a long, heavy lens up. . Do you have a third hand or something? . LOL

Seriously, I do wonder how people are using the rear LCD display to focus if they are trying desperately to keep a rapidly moving subject centered just right in the viewfinder and also trying to hold a big heavy lens up and everything is happening so rapidly that if you take a split second to do anything else you will miss your shot altogether. . I just don't get it.

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For the most part I haven't shot any rapidly moving stuff, it just sits there. For stuff that is sitting there it's not hard to work the shutter plus drag focus points around plus hold the camera, all at the same time, and I'm using the EVF, not the rear screen. When the birds show up here in March I may try to go get a few photos, I'll have to switch things up then, maybe that zone af with servo mode.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #18988536
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But my hand is not large enough for my index finger to be on the shutter button and the thumb to cover an LCD display ..... they are simply too far apart. . Plus, my face is pressed up against the back of the camera so that I can see clearly through the viewfinder.


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You would have no trouble with hand size and fingers. Maybe you need to pick up a camera and try it to see. And there is a gap between your face and the rear screen, I have the camera sitting here and tried it, these things are not a problem

RDKirk wrote in post #18988530
The right thumb is moving the focus point. That's why we've gone back to using the shutter button to activate focus.

Of course, you can continue to do back-button focusing...moving the thumb from the screen to the rear focus button is still faster than moving the focus point the DSLR way and then trying to use the rear focus button. Yes, it's in a slightly different position, but it's not unusable.

Personally, I have never used back button focus, even on my dSLRs, because I would use my thumb to move the focus point via the joystick. So, in my case, using the rear LCD panel to move the AF point is quite natural -- although I do still miss the joystick.

1) Sometimes there aren't focus points where you want focus on Canon DSLRs.
2) Almost all camera DSLR models from Canon have substandard AF points on the periphery of the AF cluster and simply weren't accurate enough or sensitive enough for different conditions.

Sorry for going back to the which uses more power, LCD or EFV. I knew the EVF was going to use power so on my trip when we walked 8 to 10 hrs a day I turned Image Review off. Actually I did that soon after getting the R and first time I have done that. I figured if I'm going to chimp I have to work at it by pressing the review button.

I have that set on all my bodies, and then have the option set to zoom in nearly 100% when I hit play on the last image so I don't have to zoom in manually. Doing this has added noticeable life to the dismal battery life on the M50.