Looking for New Camera Body

John from PA wrote in post #18923388
Refurbished EOS 80D EF-S 18-55 & EF-S 55-250 IS STM Bundle for $700...tough to beat this deal.

See https://shop.usa.canon​.com …ef-s-55-250-is-stm-bundle

Unfortunately now shown as out of stock. Probably worth watching for a few weeks as retail store overstock may be sent back when the 90D hits the shelves.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924410
Charles, an electronic viewfinder works very differently from an optical viewfinder. As John above explained, when you are looking through an optical viewfinder in a DSRL you are basically looking straight trough the lens and thus seeing the world as it is, in real time. The actual image is reflected in the mirror but that happens instantaneously, so you are seeing the world one-on-one.

This part above I fully understood.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924410
An electronic viewfinder shows you a projection of the scene. It's like looking at a mini tv screen as it were. And it shows you the image that you are about to take fully processed by the camera. That means you can see if it will be exposed correctly with the present settings. It also means you have a histogram. On a DSLR this information can only be obtained after the image has been taken. With a mirrorless camera the EVF shows you this before you take the image.

And it has more benefits, like focus peeking, which is particularly handy for macro work.

And maybe there are more advantages, but I'm not really the one to tell you about EVFs as I have no real world experience with them. Except checking them out in the shop the other day.

I did know the EVF was a digital screen like looking at a TV screen.

I did NOT know there was histogram information in the EVF in real time!

What is focus peeking? I do not believe I have heard this term before.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924410
Joeseph, I checked out three mirrorless cameras in the shop: an EOS R, an M50 and a Sony a7III. And I felt with all three EVFs that they weren't in sync with real time. They were all just a tiny bit lagging behind. Not much, sure, but quite noticeable.

Hi Dale,

I'm sure EVFs have greatly improved over time and those that have used mirrorless cameras have seen those improvements can see the advancement. Of course. But all I can speak of is my own experience of looking through an EVF for the first time ever, a few weeks ago, in the shop. The lag in the EVF was unmistakeable. The cameras I tried out were the EOS R, Canon M50 and the Sony a7III and they all had it. And the projection in the EVFs itself was, I don't know, rather bad. Stuttery like. I was actually reminded of old VHS tapes. A world apart from an optical viewfinder with its real time clarity.

I'm sure one could get used to an EVF though. Especially since it does have some advantages over an OVF. But those advantages for me are substantially less important than the quality of the viewfinder itself. So I'm staying with DSRLs for now.

From your experience, I believe I would have the same experience and feelings!

I too will be sticking with the DSLR for the time being.

Thank you very much Levina for sharing your thoughts with me and everyone else!

John from PA wrote in post #18924478
Unfortunately now shown as out of stock. Probably worth watching for a few weeks as retail store overstock may be sent back when the 90D hits the shelves.

Thank you for the update.

You entered this info as I was typing my reply to Levina

Inspeqtor wrote in post #18924498
This part above I fully understood.

I did know the EVF was a digital screen like looking at a TV screen.

I did NOT know there was histogram information in the EVF in real time!

What is focus peeking? I do not believe I have heard this term before.

From your experience, I believe I would have the same experience and feelings!

I too will be sticking with the DSLR for the time being.

Thank you very much Levina for sharing your thoughts with me and everyone else!

1) It is called Focus Peaking. On Canon, the areas in focus are highlighted in a color of your choice, like blue or yellow.

https://www.photolisti​clife.com …07/what-is-focus-peaking/

2) You have 2 tools for manual focusing with an EVF. You have this focus peaking above, but you can also see a 5x and 10x zoom in the view finder, just like you can on the rear screen of the 60D in live view mode.

Between these two features, manual focusing is a breeze for static objects or portraits.

Inspeqtor wrote in post #18924498
This part above I fully understood.

I did know the EVF was a digital screen like looking at a TV screen.

I did NOT know there was histogram information in the EVF in real time!

What is focus peeking? I do not believe I have heard this term before.

From your experience, I believe I would have the same experience and feelings!

I too will be sticking with the DSLR for the time being.

Thank you very much Levina for sharing your thoughts with me and everyone else!

Oh, I made a typo there. It's actually focus peaking. Sorry about that (I edited my original post)!

Focus peaking is a method to help you focus manually with manual lenses, like the Rokinon lenses or legacy lenses that do not have AF. Focus peaking often uses a colour, like red, that indicate sharp edges. Those are then in focus. As you move the focus ring on the manual lens, the colour shifts according to how the focus shifts. I will go look for a video so you can see it in action and add the link later.

Charles, I want to stress that what I said above is my opinion, okay? Other people have different opinions about it. I would not want to be the deciding factor in your decision making.

EDIT: link to youtube (focus peaking starts at 1 minute into the video): https://www.youtube.co​m …jdj57Bq6-NQ&frags=pl%2Cwn

And I see Cary beat me to it...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18924509
1) It is called Focus Peaking. On Canon, the areas in focus are highlighted in a color of your choice, like blue or yellow.

https://www.photolisti​clife.com …07/what-is-focus-peaking/

2) You have 2 tools for manual focusing with an EVF. You have this focus peaking above, but you can also see a 5x and 10x zoom in the view finder, just like you can on the rear screen of the 60D in live view mode.

Between these two features, manual focusing is a breeze for static objects or portraits.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924538
Oh, I made a typo there. It's actually focus peaking. Sorry about that (I edited my original post)!

Focus peaking is a method to help you focus manually with manual lenses, like the Rokinon lenses or legacy lenses that do not have AF. Focus peaking often uses a colour, like red, that indicate sharp edges. Those are then in focus. As you move the focus ring on the manual lens, the colour shifts according to how the focus shifts. I will go look for a video so you can see it in action and add the link later.

Charles, I want to stress that what I said above is my opinion, okay? Other people have different opinions about it. I would not want to be the deciding factor in your decision making.

EDIT: link to youtube (focus peaking starts at 1 minute into the video): https://www.youtube.co​m …jdj57Bq6-NQ&frags=pl%2Cwn

And I see Cary beat me to it...

I want to thank both of you for helping me understand focus peaking! That is a really cool feature!!

But I suspect that Canon has not yet implemented this feature into any of their bodies?

I cannot afford to switch bodies to like the Sony that was in the video that Levina found.

After I posted my thoughts on your opinions I thought to myself that I should try going to Best Buy and look at the bodies they have, but not sure when I will be able to do that. I wish I could do that yesterday.... but ......

Inspeqtor wrote in post #18924557
I want to thank both of you for helping me understand focus peaking! That is a really cool feature!!

But I suspect that Canon has not yet implemented this feature into any of their bodies?

I cannot afford to switch bodies to like the Sony that was in the video that Levina found.

After I posted my thoughts on your opinions I thought to myself that I should try going to Best Buy and look at the bodies they have, but not sure when I will be able to do that. I wish I could do that yesterday.... but ......

Charles, the link to the focus peaking was just an example. Of course you don't want that camera!

Canon does have a kind of focus peaking. They call it "focus guide". The EOS R has it (and I think the EOS RP too?). First Canon camera to have it I believe, not sure.
Here's a link to a video that shows how it works. It starts at 4 minutes into the video. And it's pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.co​m …hLM_uGPGQLA&fra​gs=pl%2Cwn

The M series have had focus peaking for a few years now. I have my M50 set up to do the highlights in yellow so it is very clear to see what is in focus. It is great when I use the Rokinon manual lenses, as well as macro shots.

Makes things like this easy, even with the wind blowing the leaves. The only thing killing detail is the fact that this is at ISO 12800.

I am glad I have not yet "pulled the trigger" with what I have learned today. I was leaning on the 90D which I could not do until Thursday if memory serves me correctly anyway.

In the last few minutes I was thinking of going to the newer RP which I can afford, but I am not positive it has the focus guide like the R model does have.
Going to the RP I would also have needed to buy one of the three adapters that would allow me to use my EF and EFs lenses, but, I have not yet found any descriptions telling me what the difference is between them or the cost of the adapters.

Now Cary tells me the M series has this feature!!

Decisions, decisions!!!

Charles, the EOS RP also has focus peaking. Look here:
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=Ub4hbtRcl6o

The three adapters are easy to understand.

1. The cheapest simply allows you to use your EF and EFS lenses.

2. The next level also gives you a control ring that you can program to do a number of functions.

3. The last one allows you to drop in various filters at the adapter itself. Very expensive but gives you the ability to add filters to lenses that cannot add filters.

#1 is the one you probably would go with first.

Bottom of this page goes through the 3 adapters: https://www.canon.com.​cy/mount-adapters-ef-eos-r/

You know Charles, you aren't that far from me, less than an hour. If you are near the Fort Wayne area, let me know, and I will meet up and let you borrow the M50 for a week or so. I have a 15-45 lens, and I have the EF/EFS adapter you can try with your lenses. I am always letting people borrow my equipment. My sigma has been borrowed a few times for an eagle outing, my TC, etc. We also go to Kendalville quite often to visit Rural King, and to eat at Long John Silvers (not sure why my wife likes that place, but it makes her happy).

This would definitely give you an idea of whether you want a mirrorless system right now or not, or to try to find an 80D deal or 90D, at no cost to you other than travel time.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924538
Focus peaking is a method to help you focus manually with manual lenses, like the Rokinon lenses or legacy lenses that do not have AF. Focus peaking often uses a colour, like red, that indicate sharp edges. Those are then in focus. As you move the focus ring on the manual lens, the colour shifts according to how the focus shifts. I will go look for a video so you can see it in action and add the link later.

Let me correct this just a bit - focus peaking works for any lens when it is set to manual focus. You can set the 24-105 kit lens to manual focus and the focus peaking will work. I think generally its for closer objects, not a mountains that's a few miles away.

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924559
Charles, the link to the focus peaking was just an example. Of course you don't want that camera!

Canon does have a kind of focus peaking. They call it "focus guide". The EOS R has it (and I think the EOS RP too?). First Canon camera to have it I believe, not sure.
Here's a link to a video that shows how it works. It starts at 4 minutes into the video. And it's pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.co​m …hLM_uGPGQLA&fra​gs=pl%2Cwn

In the above video the man is using the Canon R talking about "Focus Guide" which has the box and three triangles.
This camera DOES have MF Peak Settings... he had that turned off in order to do the Focus Guide. So the R does have the Focus Peaking like in the video below by switching the settings around the other way?

Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18924603
Charles, the EOS RP also has this feature. Look here:
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=Ub4hbtRcl6o

This video the man does not say what camera he is using, other than saying it is a Canon body. I do like the Focus Peaking in this video much better than the Focus Guide in top video.

Why do you think this video he is using the Canon RP body?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18924674
The three adapters are easy to understand.

1. The cheapest simply allows you to use your EF and EFS lenses.

2. The next level also gives you a control ring that you can program to do a number of functions.

3. The last one allows you to drop in various filters at the adapter itself. Very expensive but gives you the ability to add filters to lenses that cannot add filters.

#1 is the one you probably would go with first.

Bottom of this page goes through the 3 adapters: https://www.canon.com.​cy/mount-adapters-ef-eos-r/

You know Charles, you aren't that far from me, less than an hour. If you are near the Fort Wayne area, let me know, and I will meet up and let you borrow the M50 for a week or so. I have a 15-45 lens, and I have the EF/EFS adapter you can try with your lenses. I am always letting people borrow my equipment. My sigma has been borrowed a few times for an eagle outing, my TC, etc. We also go to Kendalville quite often to visit Rural King, and to eat at Long John Silvers (not sure why my wife likes that place, but it makes her happy).

This would definitely give you an idea of whether you want a mirrorless system right now or not, or to try to find an 80D deal or 90D, at no cost to you other than travel time.

Cary,

I did not explain myself well enough with my previous post concerning these adapters...
I did know one was for the EF and EFs lenses, one was for some kind of control, and the third for filters.

Do all three adapters work with both EF and EFs lenses? I am guessing yes they do.

Is there a web page that tells and explains everything the control adapter does?

Where do I find the prices of each adapter? I have not yet found that.

Thank you so much for the offer to borrow your M50! I had known you live somewhere in the Kendallville area. My wife was born and lived her young life in Albion until she went to college.

If I find I can afford the Canon RP with the adapter I may go that route. I never thought I would buy a FF body! I always figured I would never get a FF because I have a couple EFs lenses that I would not like to lose, but with the adapter the R/RP bodies give me I won't lose those lenses. Will I miss the "extra" reach the APC-S bodies have given to me? I dunno.

Inspeqtor wrote in post #18924834
Cary,


I did know one was for the EF and EFs lenses, one was for some kind of control, and the third for filters.

Do all three adapters work with both EF and EFs lenses? I am guessing yes they do.

Is there a web page that tells and explains everything the control adapter does?


If I find I can afford the Canon RP with the adapter I may go that route. I never thought I would buy a FF body! I always figured I would never get a FF because I have a couple EFs lenses that I would not like to lose, but with the adapter the R/RP bodies give me I won't lose those lenses. Will I miss the "extra" reach the APC-S bodies have given to me? I dunno.

All three work the same way in terms of letting EF and EF S lenses work with the R and the RP. They just pass the signals for autofocus and whatever else is going on in there back and forth between camera and lens. The differences in the adapters is just in terms of extra features.

If you use an EF S lens, you lose resolution, because the image is only projected on to the center of the sensor. On the R when using an EF lens I'm getting a 6700 by 4400 size image (rounded). With an EF S lens, I get a 4170 by 2780 size image.