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I am feeling very much the same way. I have been a Canon user for some years and have been waiting for a more contemporary APS C camera for the BIF photography I do. With the entry of the 90D and no 7Diii as many have hoped, I was actually waiting to hear if the 90D would be a worthy consideration. I do feel a bit duped here. I have also considered trading in all my canon gear for Sony. I could always purchase a new 7Dii if I didn't feel as though I was going backwards. There are too many other choices out there...if I didn't have so much Canon glass it would be a much easier decision. Huntersdad, did you return the 90D?

From page 150 of the manual, it looks like LV FPS is affected

H: High-speed continuous shooting:
When you hold down the shutter button completely, you can shoot continuously at max. approx. 10 shots/sec. in viewfinder shooting or 11 shots/sec. in Live View shooting while you keep holding it down.

When the AF operation is set to [Servo AF] in Live View shooting, the continuous shooting speed will be max. approx. 7.0 shots/sec.

But then see page 152 where it gives the fine print (battery, fast shutter speed, aperture, etc)

PS: I don't have the camera yet. I'm still shopping. I never use LV.. Looks like FPS for BIF wont' be affected.

ATTN: BIF'ers. Let me know your results puleeeze!!

Sharlin, I can only tell you what I was told by CPS and my experience. With a fully charged battery, UHSII card at ISO 400, shutter speed in the 1/1000 range, I never got more than 7fps when using the OVF. However, when using LV, it hit 11fps each time in Servo. That is the exact experience I had.

When I questioned the CPS agent about needing 10fps while using the OVF, he stated I had 3 options: 7d2, 1Dx or 1DxII. He specifically said that the 90d WILL NOT do more than 7fps when using the OVF. LV is a different story despite what the manual says.

My experience with the camera in hand matches what CPS was telling me.

Well, we shall soon have some owners that can clarify.

It is unusual, perhaps even unheard of, for the Canon manual to be so completely wrong.
I will certainly be curious to see.

The priority setting could very well explain Huntersdad's experience,. if it was set to focus priority.

It was not. It was left in the middle.

huntersdad wrote in post #18927876
Per CPS, Canon rep and testing, if you are in Servo mode in the OVF, you are limited to 7fps.

The above seems to be in direct conflict with what Winston said, as quoted by Sharlin:

Does the above apply to OVF shooting? It is implied.

This is nothing new, is it?
My 1DIV does 10 fps, but it needs ideal conditions for that. With a battery at 20%, it won't get that. Higher ISO speeds, cold weather, low light, all bring down the fps.

The 90D manual:

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Levina de Ruijter wrote in post #18927931
This is nothing new, is it?
My 1DIV does 10 fps, but it needs ideal conditions for that. With a battery at 20%, it won't get that. Higher ISO speeds, cold weather, low light, all bring down the fps.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Achieving 10 fps would be for ideal conditions. It is odd, though, that huntersdad got specific unpublished info about servo shooting from Canon. It is also a bit odd that the servo max for OVF was identical to the servo max for LV shooting.

We need a bit more info to sort this out, I think.

Huntersdad, was flicker control on?

No. I rarely shoot with Flicker on.

This morning was roughly 75 degrees, slightly cloudy. As previously stated, the battery was charged and I was shooting low ISO shots to a UHS-II card. Focus priority was left in the default setting, which is between focus and release. The subject was a water bottle. I focused using LV and did my best to get a 3-second burst using a timer. In LV, I ended at 32 images, which is close enough. Yes, LV was set to Servo.

All I did from there was switch to OVF, made sure the focus was on point and redid the same test. 22 shots in a 3-second burst.

Same result with the Canon rep stepping me through it (me checked a number of options), same outcome at the camera store.

I hope I am wrong, but it got tested several ways with the same outcomes.

huntersdad wrote in post #18927903
Sharlin, I can only tell you what I was told by CPS and my experience. With a fully charged battery, UHSII card at ISO 400, shutter speed in the 1/1000 range, I never got more than 7fps when using the OVF. However, when using LV, it hit 11fps each time in Servo. That is the exact experience I had.

When I questioned the CPS agent about needing 10fps while using the OVF, he stated I had 3 options: 7d2, 1Dx or 1DxII. He specifically said that the 90d WILL NOT do more than 7fps when using the OVF. LV is a different story despite what the manual says.

My experience with the camera in hand matches what CPS was telling me.

How are you timing the frame rate?

huntersdad wrote in post #18927723
The 90d burst rate in LV is 11 fps, which I believe it is hitting.

The burst rate in VF is 10fps - if you are in ONE SHOT. When you go to Servo, the frame rate drops to a max of 7, which explains what I was seeing.

Did you test this in ONE SHOT in VF and did you get the 10 fps then?

Amazon dropped a 90D off to me this weekend. Not too much time to play with it yet, but I did grab a couple quick macro shots (single not stacked). One thing I noticed was that it was about 1-stop underexposed when compared to the same settings normally used on my old 7DMKII. I needed to up my flash power to about +2, whereas the 7D2 was usually at 0 or -1/3 on average.

As for the discussion on FPS using OVF. I noticed it was a bit slow as well when testing it, but I was able to get it to roughly 10 FPS using the OVF and AI Servo by adjusting some of the custom AF settings in the menu. The AF settings in servo were slowing it down a bit, moving one of the sliders (don't remember which one right now...camera is at home) to shot priority rather than focus priority really brought the FPS up.

Anyway, here's one of the pics from yesterday. This was using the Canon 100 mm f/2.8L macro lens, ISO 200, f/16, 1/200th sec

huntersdad wrote in post #18927903
Sharlin, I can only tell you what I was told by CPS and my experience. With a fully charged battery, UHSII card at ISO 400, shutter speed in the 1/1000 range, I never got more than 7fps when using the OVF. However, when using LV, it hit 11fps each time in Servo. That is the exact experience I had.

When I questioned the CPS agent about needing 10fps while using the OVF, he stated I had 3 options: 7d2, 1Dx or 1DxII. He specifically said that the 90d WILL NOT do more than 7fps when using the OVF. LV is a different story despite what the manual says.

That's definitely a mystery then. I don't know what to think. As another data point, Imaging Resource people got exactly 10 fps in what they claimed was AI SERVO mode, but they were likely shooting a stationary subject... I got my own hands on a 90D earlier today, in a local brick&mortar store, and in Live View SERVO AF was definitely slower than ONE SHOT, but unfortunately I didn't think to test OVF AI SERVO vs ONE SHOT shooting speed very carefully. Don't know what to think.

JayLT wrote in post #18927969
Amazon dropped a 90D off to me this weekend. Not too much time to play with it yet, but I did grab a couple quick macro shots (single not stacked). One thing I noticed was that it was about 1-stop underexposed when compared to the same settings normally used on my old 7DMKII. I needed to up my flash power to about +2, whereas the 7D2 was usually at 0 or -1/3 on average.

As for the discussion on FPS using OVF. I noticed it was a bit slow as well when testing it, but I was able to get it to roughly 10 FPS using the OVF and AI Servo by adjusting some of the custom AF settings in the menu. The AF settings in servo were slowing it down a bit, moving one of the sliders (don't remember which one right now...camera is at home) to shot priority rather than focus priority really brought the FPS up.

Anyway, here's one of the pics from yesterday. This was using the Canon 100 mm f/2.8L macro lens, ISO 200, f/16, 1/200th sec

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Welcome to POTN. That is a handsome grasshopper! Nice pic.

I don't understand your flash lingo. I understand the 1-stop part but not +2 and so on. My flash shows full power, 1/2, 1/4, and so on with 1/3 stops in between. I'm assuming you were shooting through a diffuser. If the 90D needs more flash power, that is an issue, because that lengthens the flash burst and can lead to motion blur (if close to full power).

Best I could manage - 3 second burst started on a timer with my iPhone. Tried to hit and end both buttons at the same time. Did it 3 times, got the same average each time.