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Sep 30, 2019 18:22 |  #76

patrick j wrote in post #18936048 (external link)
I left a comment about this on YouTube a few weeks ago and basically was told I don't know what I'm talking about (shocking that could happen on the internet, isn't it), but my thinking is that the nature of exposure is that you have an independent variable and a dependent variable. If you set your shutter, say, then your aperture has to be a certain thing to give you the correct exposure, you can't fidget with it. So in manual mode you are juggling two things that are not independent of each other, you can pick one or the other, then you are more or less locked in on the second setting. I'm sure there are some instances where manual is desirable, but I don't know what they'd be, beyond using it as a substitute for exposure compensation.


Hi Patrick J,

I totally get what you are describing. I come from a science background and am bound to logic. ;) And once I learn what my camera, Canon 6D, is capable of and how to use, I know I will only use either Aperture or Shutter mode - depending on my goals. For ex., like you said - shutter -- for birds in flight.

As a newbie, a brand new newbie, like only 2 days in the field newbie, I can only add this:

Setting out, I do not have any preconceived notions about what is required to get a 'good' photo yet. I didn't know that I needed at a minimum shutter speed of 1/500 for stop action of a birds wing. Only when I viewed the pictures - finally -- at least a week later due to these tech issues -- could I see which pictures at what settings turned out 'good'. Having total control forces me to think about every setting (i.e., shutter, aperture, ISO, light meter) for every picture. For me having to think through each shot will get me up the learning curve more quickly. For the record, composition was not high on the priority list that day. I had hard enough time figuring out which dial scrolled which setting. LOL. The most important tool for me the first day in the field was the light meter and that was only going to give me a 'mid-tone neutral' if that's the correct term.

On the other hand, if I chose to use shutter priority, my composition would have been nicer, and I would have likely gotten a few more 'good' shots - but that wasn't really my goal believe it or not - good shots. I would have learned but I wouldn't have had to think very much. I did play around with ISO auto and manual which helped a lot -- taking that 3rd(?)variable out of the picture.

That's all I got. That's why it works for me.

So I don't think your way is wrong. Certainly not. Obviously not. Those that criticize you on youtube may just like to criticize people. It boils down to ones commitment, understanding, experiences, and how one learns. Again, I know for a fact, that I will eventually choose to have one priority setting. It's just logical. :)

Thank you so much Patrick J for your thoughtful remarks.


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Sep 30, 2019 18:32 as a reply to  @ StarlingGirl's post |  #77

With respect to bird photography, you might want to https://photographylif​e.com/how-to-photograph-birds (external link), specifically where the author discusses aperture priority in conjunction with Auto-ISO. Note the use of setting minimum shutter speed and highest ISO for his methods.




  
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Sep 30, 2019 18:53 |  #78

John from PA wrote in post #18936039 (external link)
A thought comes to mind if you are serious about making these potential upgrades/updates. Do you know what BIOS revision is currently on your machine? Do you know how to update the BIOS? See https://us.answers.ace​r.com …QdDY5c3dyUSUyMS​UyMQ%3D%3D (external link) for some assistance.

That Belarc Advisor I mentioned in an earlier post is at https://www.belarc.com​/products_belarc_advis​or (external link). As I suggested download it and run it. It might take about 5 minutes to extract everything. Then print and retain the printout. It should tell you the BIOS level and things like your Windows Product key.


Hi John from PA,

Using the link you provided, the BIOS I currently have is version P21-A/4 date is 1/2/2014 . checking for the updates for my computer - SNID 41402925996 there are 6. Which one is appropriate? It's unclear. https://www.acer.com …/5307?b=1&pn=DT​.VKCAA.003 (external link)

I did download the other utility and found my product keys - windows 7 / IE / MS Office. Yay. The Belarc Advisor instructions indicates its for Windows 10 and above. Windows 7 isn't listed. Have you run it successfully on Windows 7 successfully?

As ever, thank you.


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Sep 30, 2019 18:57 |  #79

gjl711 wrote in post #18935995 (external link)
Got curious so I ran a test. Pretty decent PC, Extreme pro class 3 card, 7200rmp hard drive (4tb WD Black), USB 3.1. and moved 18,018,666,060 bytes (16.7gig). It took 15:17.41


Hi gjl711,

WoW! Not sure how you did that but cool. I have a 3.1USB, but I'm not sure of the version?/speed of the 'card reader' on this computer. Did the information that I sent you provide you with the card reader speed and that is what this speed test reflects?


thank you for everything.


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Sep 30, 2019 19:02 |  #80

John from PA wrote in post #18936033 (external link)
I use shutter priority almost exclusively but that is because of what I shoot where in general my first thought is stopping action, then I think in terms of depth of field. I have also come from an era where the 1st "automatic" cameras only had shutter priority, cameras like the Konica Autoreflex which served me well until my 1st digital (a Canon G2)


Your approach makes perfect sense!

Did you say you're from the 1st 'automatic' cameras era? Are you showing your age John from PA? Sounds like me telling youngsters that I remember black and white tv and only having a couple of channels. :-P:-P:-P


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Sep 30, 2019 19:05 |  #81

StarlingGirl wrote in post #18936094 (external link)
Hi gjl711,

WoW! Not sure how you did that but cool. I have a 3.1USB, but I'm not sure of the version?/speed of the 'card reader' on this computer. Did the information that I sent you provide you with the card reader speed and that is what this speed test reflects?

thank you for everything.

Quite simple, read the speck off of the card and motherboard specs. For the file size, I just clicked on "properties" of the card when it was plugged in. Then copied all the files from the card to a temp directory and timed it.


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Sep 30, 2019 19:13 |  #82

John from PA wrote in post #18936058 (external link)
I too got a similar reaction on POTN when I first got my 60D. Many expressed their disbelief that I would shoot using shutter priority. I personally think but admit I could be wrong, that many people don’t understand the interaction of the variables (shutter speed, aperture, ISO). Or if they do, they can’t think in those terms. I started as a teen working in a camera store with a camera that didn’t have a meter. All I had was the famous (more or less) “sunny 16 rule”. It got me through years of photography until I could afford a meter! If you missed you pushed or pulled that film in the lab. I suspect many don’t even know what shutter priority means; they are likely the same people that can’t divide $39.99 by two in their head. [Real story, a person waiting on me had to use their iPhone to do the math.]


Being a newbie, that totally confuses me. What exactly are they arguing? That you should be shooting in manual or aperture mode? I don't get it. Anyway, people like to argue on the internet when they are passionate about a subject. It's funny.

Not surprised that they couldn't come up with $19.995 as half of the $39.99. LOL. ;-)a Have you heard about the public school system? Nevermind, that's another topic. :)


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Sep 30, 2019 19:29 |  #83

StarlingGirl wrote in post #18936071 (external link)
Hi Patrick J,

Setting out, I do not have any preconceived notions about what is required to get a 'good' photo yet. I didn't know that I needed at a minimum shutter speed of 1/500 for stop action of a birds wing. Only when I viewed the pictures - finally -- at least a week later due to these tech issues -- could I see which pictures at what settings turned out 'good'.

There is technically good and then creatively good. I think you'll find the second one the hardest one, I certainly do :-)


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Sep 30, 2019 19:29 |  #84

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Hi John from PA,

Using the link you provided, the BIOS I currently have is version P21-A/4 date is 1/2/2014 . checking for the updates for my computer - SNID 41402925996 there are 6. Which one is appropriate? It's unclear. https://www.acer.com …/5307?b=1&pn=DT​.VKCAA.003 (external link)

I did download the other utility and found my product keys - windows 7 / IE / MS Office. Yay. The Belarc Advisor instructions indicates its for Windows 10 and above. Windows 7 isn't listed. Have you run it successfully on Windows 7 successfully?

As ever, thank you.

On the Acer website I don;t see a P21-A4 version listed, although there is the more recent P21-B4 which is likely the most recent. But to be sure, go to https://www.acer.com …/5307?b=1&pn=DT​.VKCAA.003 (external link) and along the top you will see a section reading "Did you Know? You can download Acer Software to detect your hardware and choose the right drivers? Click on the "Acer Software" which is a link and let the Acer utility figure out what you may need.

As far as Belarc Advisor, the Belarc website clearly states "Operating Systems: Runs on Windows 10, 2016, 8.1, 2012 R2, 8, 2012, 7, 2008 R2, Vista, 2008, 2003 SP2, XP SP3. Both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows are supported" so I'm not sure why you thin it only Windows 10 and above. I have run it on a Windows 7 Pro 64-bit machine, specifically the Lenovo desktop I have mentioned. The website, just so you are at the correct one, not some mirror, is https://www.belarc.com​/products_belarc_advis​or (external link).




  
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Sep 30, 2019 19:34 |  #85

SkedAddled wrote in post #18935980 (external link)
From this link, we find that the system's motherboard utilizes an Intel H81 chipset.

According to Intel's website, the H81 chipset (external link) offers USB 2.0 and 3.0, with no mention
of any lower revision. Therefore, it's fairly safe to argue that you have, at minimum,
USB 2.0 port connections available.
Typically found most commonly on the rear panel of a circa-2013 PC, any USB 3 ports
are most likely to have a blue color plastic within their sockets instead of white or black.

USB 2.0 and above should not require several hours for a less-than 10GB transfer,
so I'd expect any or all of the: 1)card reader, 2)memory card, 3)USB cable.

Posting a clear picture here of the Sandisk card's label will tell everyone involved here
just how fast it should be able to read/write.
Likewise with a picture of your card-reader's label.
The camera itself may be a bottleneck slowdown, if that's your method to copy to hard drive
instead of removing memory card from camera to insert into a card reader.

So, the system has a Core i5-4440 processor at 3.1 GHz, which is likely plenty fast
and capable for most modern photo-processing software. 4GB memory isn't paltry either,
but if you can afford to double that or more, things may go along more smoothly
with everything you use the system for.

There's up to a total of 4 SATA ports for drives, with 2 of them likely being SATA III,
which should also be blue instead of white/black. A solid-state SATA III drive plugged
into one of those ports should realize transfers at up to 6.0 Gb/second, which is
faster than many mechanical drives are capable of. [Given all of the above, my suggestions are
1) Verify the Sandisk memory and card-reader speed capabilities
1) Try another USB cable, specifically rated for USB 2.0 or 3.0
3) Definitely get an SSD and more RAM if budget allows.
An SSD will give you a colossal speed improvement in everything the system does
which is internal. Anything EXternal such as USB drives, card readers, etc. are all
limited to their slowest point in the connection, including devices themselves.

Hi SkedAddled!


WOW 6GB/Sec with SSD SATA III/!!

That's great.

This is the sanDisk that I am using: https://www.amazon.com …tle_o00_s01?ie=​UTF8&psc=1 (external link)

On another post, I listed the card reader specs from 'properties' as for hardware ID: USBSTOR\DiskGeneric-SD/MMC/MS_PRO___1.00 (Not sure if that's the right info though).
Note: The card reader does not look like a USB, but you already knew that.

After a few of today's discussions, I'm leaning towards upgrading the RAM and adding the SSD. I was prepared to do it myself but a few things are concerning me that others have brought up.

It seems others believe an upgrade is appropriate saving me from purchasing a new computer.  :p

Thank you for the information. You are so generous with your time and I really appreciate what you have done. It definitely helps. I hope I have given you the info you requested.


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I think using one of the 'semi auto' modes to begin with is good advice, but it's actually quite likely that, as you become more proficient, you may use manual mode more and more. This is especially true if you're going to be shooting a variety of 'styles' and subjects from one moment to the next.

Take for example my project last weekend - a kart race meeting. I like to mix up the shot style throughout the day and so I frequently move from one spot to another, and use two bodies with two different lenses, two different sensors (one full frame, one crop). I may also swap lenses from time to time.

On one corner, I had two principal opportunities - looking down a long straight and the corner itself. The long shot was a good opportunity for subject isolation and perspective ussing a big aperture (thus narrow depth of field) and, because the karts were headed toward me and so not moving around the frame much, shutter speed wasn't important. In the corner though, there were TWO opportunities: shots of single karts entering and exiting the corner, and shots of groups of karts. The first could be done - again - with a relatively narrow depth of field for isolation but the second demanded deeper depth of field to keep the whole group sharp. In some cases I want to freeze the action and keep everything super sharp (fast shutter) other times I want to introduce some movement in the subject or background.

So you can see that I am constantly reviewing aperture and shutter speed, which in turn means that I may have to vary the ISO setting in order to utilise the combination I prefer.

I think you will have similar experiences when birding.

Also, note that, when shooting in manual mode, the exposure meter in the viewfinder is your best friend. Learn to consult this frequently till it becomes second nature, and practice thumb/finger positions so that you can vary shutter and aperture to achieve optimum exposure while looking through the viewfinder. For birds and any action/active subject, speed is of the essence!


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Sep 30, 2019 19:37 |  #87

StarlingGirl wrote in post #18936096 (external link)
Your approach makes perfect sense!

Did you say you're from the 1st 'automatic' cameras era? Are you showing your age John from PA? Sounds like me telling youngsters that I remember black and white tv and only having a couple of channels. :-P:-P:-P

B&W TV and a few channels "yes". Also AM radio with the likes of Sky King, the Lone Ranger, etc.

Positively the 1st of the automatics. I had a 100% manual camera but it got heavily doused at sea while I was in the Navy. I purchased a Konica Autoreflex at the time; quite an innovative camera although it only offered shutter priority for "auto". I will always remember taking a picture in Westminster Abbey and thinking the exposure the camera was choosing was totally nuts! Needless to say it was about a perfect exposure as you could get, and likely on Kodachrome, a relatively unforgiving film. Just to show how old I am, that camera also had a switch to move it to 1/2 frame mid roll. It came in handy on occasion when you had more picture opportunities than shots left on the roll. If you were at 30 shots on a 36 roll, going to 1/2 frame gave you 12 more shots. (6 x 2 = 12)

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Sep 30, 2019 19:39 as a reply to  @ StarlingGirl's post |  #88

Hi John from PA:

I just went back to the Belarc Advisor. My mistake! It does indeed support Windows 7. I missed it on their webpage - the link you provided. I'll take a closer look. Sorry for the confusion!


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B&W TV and a few channels "yes". Also AM radio with the likes of Sky King, the Lone Ranger, etc.

Positively the 1st of the automatics. I had a 100% manual camera but it got heavily doused at sea while I was in the Navy. I purchased a Konica Autoreflex at the time; quite an innovative camera although it only offered shutter priority for "auto". I will always remember taking a picture in Westminster Abbey and thinking the exposure the camera was choosing was totally nuts! Needless to say it was about a perfect exposure as you could get, and likely on Kodachrome, a relatively unforgiving film. Just to show how old I am, that camera also had a switch to move it to 1/2 frame mid roll. It came in handy on occasion when you had more picture opportunities than shots left on the roll. If you were at 30 shots on a 36 roll, going to 1/2 frame gave you 12 more shots. (6 x 2 = 12)

I also think twice about buying green bananas...;-)a



:-P:-P:-P :p :mrgreen: Too funny. Waiting 2 weeks to see your photos was tough too. Amazing that darkrooms are obsolete. No more paper/chemicals/equipm​ent/trays and black lights [A friend had a darkroom]. It was interesting to watch post production in practice. Now we can sit at our computer and do it in seconds.


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Sep 30, 2019 19:50 |  #90

John from PA wrote in post #18936073 (external link)
With respect to bird photography, you might want to https://photographylif​e.com/how-to-photograph-birds (external link), specifically where the author discusses aperture priority in conjunction with Auto-ISO. Note the use of setting minimum shutter speed and highest ISO for his methods.


UGH! I know nothing about photography. Please disregard my comments on my last post. :grin:

Thanks for the link John from PA. I'll take the time to read it shortly.


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