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Oct 06, 2019 09:49 |  #1

Well have reached that stage where i must shed a few pounds from my camera gear.

Currently using 7Dii w/ 100-400ii. Love it but at roughly 5.5 lbs my neck and upper back protest.
I have tried several different straps to adjust the load and currently using a cotton carrier which helps quite a bit.

I shoot 95% birds and butterflies.

Here are my thoughts

90D - sheds about 1/2 lb

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II w/ Panny 100-400 about 3.5 lbs. vs 5.5 lbs. Been reading good things about this with new firmware update to ver. 3.0 including improvement in BIF Not as good as 1X but 1x out of price range. Also E-M Mark III announcement this month

Fuji X-T3 about 4.5 lbs

What about M series?

Wondering what others have done in this situation? Since i retired i am birding almost daily which includes hiking to various locations.

I know there will be a learning curve going to m4/3 so will defiantly rent a package to try before i buy.


Would prefer not to go to all in one like LUMIX FZ1000

Guess overall budget would be about $3-4,000.

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Oct 06, 2019 11:13 |  #2

Pauhana wrote in post #18939403 (external link)
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Well have reached that stage where i must shed a few pounds from my camera gear.

Currently using 7Dii w/ 100-400ii.

I shoot 95% birds and butterflies.

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II w/ Panny 100-400 about 3.5 lbs. vs 5.5 lbs.
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Something to take into consideration with your butterfly photography is that the Canon 100-400 that you're using has a minimum focus distance of just 3.2 feet, while the Panasonic you're considering has an MFD of 4.2 feet. . The difference in magnification may be significant to you, at 0.31 and 0.25, respectively.

I'm sorry that I can't offer any other insights, but I am not at all familiar with the systems that you are contemplating. . I have heard good things about the Canon M series - hopefully someone with knowledge about that will see your thread and provide some helpful info.

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Dec 12, 2019 06:49 |  #3

Pauhana (or anyone),

I have the same Canon setup (7DII and 100-400v2) and same desire to shed some weight. The Olympus ads for the OM-D E-M5 Mark 3 are compelling.

I’m wondering if you made a change from Canon, what you decided upon, and how it is working for birds and butterflies?

I’d like any insights but the top of my list is AF speed and reach of a 300mm lens compared to my 100-400.

Thanks for sharing your experience.


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Dec 12, 2019 12:00 |  #4

Hmm, missed this when it was first posted.
I'm a little behind in the rapid pace of the smaller companies mirrorless development, but I can share my own experience.

I love the Fuji Xt1 for many aspects. People spent a LOT of time on this forum convincing me that the XT1 and SONY of the same era, (a7II I think? Maybe a7?) had EVF that would satisfy a wildlife shooter like myself, and AF that would do the same.

ANECDOTE #1:
So I included it in my last trip to Africa (summer 2017). The Fuji kit included a long telephoto OIS zoom lens, and the fabulous 18-55mm "kit" lens.

That Xt1 which I love to shoot around the campfire, candids, and impromptu scenics, was TERRIBLE for shooting wildlife. Between the EVF, the lackluster AF and overall response time, it was an absolute no go.

Another friend on our trip (the guide in fact, Dave aka "CondyK" on this forum) also packed an XT1, and was positively disgusted with the choice, despite the fact that he too had grown to love the XT1 for his urban shooting around the UK. We also both suffered from constant battery anxiety, with the little Fuji batteries offering up often maybe 1/6 the shots that a 7D2 would with an OIS lens attached.

So I stuck with the 7D2 and 5D4, I loaned Dave my back up 1D4, and we essentially carried the Fuji's as extra weight. (Dave's main body was a Nikon D500 with the 200-500mm, and excellent combo!)

I realize the XT3 is out, and things have changed, but at the time, every Fuji shooter I talked to guaranteed me that the XT1 was THE ONE that would get the job done. When in fact, it absolutely could not keep up with a 7D2.

ANECDOTE #2:
The following summer (2018) I was in Newfoundland, and had two decent birding opportunities.
"Bird Rock" at Cape St. Mary's, and Puffins at the Bona Vista light house.
In both locations, despite harsh cold weather and or rain and HEAVY fog, the 7D2 (and 5D4) were amazing. At Bona Vista I was getting very high % in focus shots of Puffins in flight!

At Bird rock the BIF are Gannets, big white birds with 6' wingspan. In heavy fog (actually makes it easier for AF to pick up a BIF, with no busy background to distract) it was like fish in a barrel.
In both locations there were people with Sony A7, at least up the A72. I think an A7III in one case. At Cape St. Mary's there was a wildlife tour from the states in fact. I listened to them all complaining about the inability to get flight shots in some of the easiest conditions. If those A7 can't do it here, forget about it.

At Bona Vista it was just one gentleman who approached me to ask how I was doing. I scrolled through shot after shot of in focus puffins darting overhead, and his jaw dropped. He did not have a single in focus shot of a puffin in flight with his A72.

I posted these experiences in both cases after I returned on this forum, and in both cases I received flak, and excuses, "the Fuji Xt2 has fixed ALL that, now it's perfect" or "They didn't know how to use there A72" "you need the A73 or the a9" etc. etc.

Now the EOS R is out and you can look at the thread, and see just how few examples there are of that kind of wildlife shot.

I am sure the a9 CAN handle the task I ask of a camera, but other than that, right now, i am not sure there is anything lighter than a 7D2, particularly in the price bracket, that can do what it does.

If this thread were posted in other other sub forum, I would leave it alone and assume that losing weight and going mirror-less was a good idea. But here in the Bird forum, I feel compelled to share my experiences and offer my opinion that with VERY few exceptions, smaller lighter mirror-less options are not up to the task of birding.


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Dec 12, 2019 12:22 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #5

Jake,

I know that it took you time simply to type your detailed post and for your time I tip my hat and can't thank you enough. The information is very detailed, informative, and therefore valuable. It's also on point for another reason, I am going to Bird The Rock next summer too! So the examples have even more context.

Thank you again.

Greg


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Dec 14, 2019 09:45 |  #6

First thanks for input


As of right now I have not made a change. I did rent an Olympus omi mk ii with panny 100-400. I really liked the Olympus camera. The panny not so much. I thought the zoom was not that smooth. The 300mm with 1.4x I understand is an outstanding lens.

Fuji I have held the Xt3. Have not rented yet. I really like the look of camera. Rumors of xt4 soon

Canon R. Looked at one the other day while at Best Buy. Tempting, but for me doesn’t hit all the checkboxes. Afraid the next Canon R is going to probably be out of my price range.

I am in no major rush to make change, but will at some point. Chiropractor visits getting expensive though


https://mirrorlesscomp​arison.com …ife-and-bird-photography/ (external link)

Great article on mirrorless for birds


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Dec 14, 2019 11:42 as a reply to  @ Pauhana's post |  #7

Pauhana,

Wow. What a great reference article, especially because the updates made to it as new equip is introduced.

Very good info. Thousand Thanks.

Greg


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Dec 14, 2019 13:14 |  #8

If you look on Olympus page on this site. I think it’s “the black fox” has numerous pics with omd m1 mkii. Some impressive stuff. He uses a lot of older 4/3 lens with adapter


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Dec 14, 2019 15:15 |  #9

I've just bought an EM1 2 and have EM5 2.
The EM1 2 is much better in the focus area than my 5. Talking static objects not BIF. (haven't tried that yet)
I've the Panasonic 100-400mm also the Olympus 40-150mm 2.8 with 1.4 extender
You've discovered the Panasonic and it's stiffness.
The 40-150 2.8 is beautiful. Smooth, light to zoom and focus but doesn't creep.
I'm hoping the Olympus 100-400mm coming (sometime) is of similar sweetness as the 40-150 2.8.

The EM1 2 and Pro lenses do give excellent results.

I've not seen an EM5 3 and didn't considered it in my purchase last week,so can't comment on that.

The Olympus 300 is excellent but I would find it compromising my photography too much when the 300 limit cramps my use in closer birds.
I tried my 75-300 at constant 300 for a (short) while and quickly realised it was not what suited my use.

My 2 bobs worth with no experience with other FF digital.

Yes Black Fox has a good handle on EM1



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Dec 14, 2019 15:37 |  #10

Pauhana wrote in post #18974944 (external link)
First thanks for input


As of right now I have not made a change. I did rent an Olympus omi mk ii with panny 100-400. I really liked the Olympus camera. The panny not so much. I thought the zoom was not that smooth. The 300mm with 1.4x I understand is an outstanding lens.

Fuji I have held the Xt3. Have not rented yet. I really like the look of camera. Rumors of xt4 soon

Canon R. Looked at one the other day while at Best Buy. Tempting, but for me doesn’t hit all the checkboxes. Afraid the next Canon R is going to probably be out of my price range.

I am in no major rush to make change, but will at some point. Chiropractor visits getting expensive though


https://mirrorlesscomp​arison.com …ife-and-bird-photography/ (external link)

Great article on mirrorless for birds


I don't read much (if anything) about the Olympus on this forum, that article and your interest will have me doing more research!
Olympus has been off my radar for asome time now. But there was a time that Oly was my go to for digital, before Canon!


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Dec 14, 2019 21:11 |  #11

Also looking forward to Olympus 100-400. Guessing won’t see that until after the new 150-400 w/ 1.4 ext. hope the 100-400 won’t just be a repackaged panny


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Dec 25, 2019 21:46 |  #12

The OP mentioned trying different straps, but gave no details. I have similar complaints when carrying my 5D4 and 100-400 v2. Most of my problems were solved with a Black Rapid strap that put the weight of the equipment on one shoulder, and went cross body so the camera sat on the other hip. I just looked, and mine doesn’t have a model name or number on it. It has a small strap that goes under the shoulder almost in the armpit that may or may not matter. I suspect it is one of their Breathe models. For me, it gave immediate relief to the neck.

I can’t cite a model, or even a manufacturer, but I have seen other photographers using the 1-4 and 7-200/2.8 with a rig that had straps over both shoulders, not touching directly on the neck at all, and had a hook or something to attach the camera so it rested on the front of their chest where a bin would be, freeing their arms.

On a different tack, I know Joe and Mary MacDonald (photo group leaders I’ve been with in the past And greatly respect) seem enthusiastic about their Olympus gear after giving up Canon. But I haven’t even knowingly seen any of the Olympus equipment in the field.




  
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