Canon EOS R or 5div?

In the market for a new camera.. Was set on the 5dIV but I just starting researching the EOS R and now I can't decide!! Help!!

I do both photos and video. Mostly portraits, some weddings, and live music.

I own both and in my case the R does not replace my 5D4 by a LongShot but that is for my use ( wildlife and action). Nevertheless I definitely consider them complimentary and enjoy the R a great deal. I think for your stated purposes the R should suit you quite well but I would still recommend a try before you buy if possible.

The 5D iV is an exceptional performer, although I can't comment on video recording,
as that is not my interest.

Are you coming from something tangibly different than the R or 5D?
As in, older cameras?

My experience, coming from older still cameras, tells me that the 5D Mk IV
is absolutely superb as compared to previous models.
Clarity, ISO, noise, colors: all are a significant improvement.

My XTi/400D was great, providing captures I couldn't achieve with a S3iS P&S.
Next was a 40D, which offered even better overall quality.
A 50D was disappointing to me, in that I didn't find it to be such a big improvement
over the 40D's capabilities.
Skipping over the innovations between the 50D and now, I was suddenly able to
acquire a 5D IV, so I jumped, and the differences are extraordinary.

It may also be worth mentioning that some major TV and film studios
have been using the 5D Mk IV for video production since the camera's introduction.

I am currently using a 6d. So I think either will be quite the upgrade... I am leaning towards going with the Eos R but I am afraid I won't like the small body. I like the beefiness of a 5d. Stupid reason but

gabe212 wrote in post #18943306
I am currently using a 6d. So I think either will be quite the upgrade... I am leaning towards going with the Eos R but I am afraid I won't like the small body. I like the beefiness of a 5d. Stupid reason but

Not at all; I prefer the size of the 5D/50D/40D as well.
It's simply a preference, but perhaps you'd do well to try out the R cameras in your own hands
before you make a final decision.

Go check out the EOS R thread. Lots of people (myself included) bought the R planning to keep both the R and the 5D4. I think most have sold the 5D. I think speed is the main thing the 5D has over the R.

gabe212 wrote in post #18943215
.
... some weddings ...
.

.
EOS R doesn't have dual card slots.


.

gabe212 wrote in post #18943306
I am currently using a 6d. So I think either will be quite the upgrade... I am leaning towards going with the Eos R but I am afraid I won't like the small body. I like the beefiness of a 5d. Stupid reason but

I just upgraded from a 6D to the EOS R a couple of weeks ago. My immediate thoughts are that they are equally good at focusing in bad light, BUT on my 6D I always used the center focus point and then focused/recomposed. On the R I just set the focus point where I want focus, and then WHAM!. This is a big advantage.

I am still struggling a bit with the EVF. Indoors it is very good, but outside I still kinda miss the OVF of the 6D.
I don't do video, so I can't really help much in that regard, but the 6D is not really known for being a spectacular video recorder, so my huch tells me yous should do fine.

The size.. well.. not really that different. The 6D weren't that big either. (I think I read somewhere that it is the smallest full frame EOS ever)
When the EF adapter is mounted I don't really notice any size issues.
But the balance is a bit weird if you hold the camera out from your body, to compose and focus using the flipout screen. Especially with a heavy lens like the Tamron 24-70mm G2. I think this is because the EF adapter places the weight further away from the camera body,

Overall I am pleased with the R (except that I HATE getting a new camera body because I feel I have to start over in regards to getting the settings right when I want to take as picture. In a couple of weeks the muscle reflexes will kick in again)

gabe212 wrote in post #18943306
I am currently using a 6d. So I think either will be quite the upgrade... I am leaning towards going with the Eos R but I am afraid I won't like the small body. I like the beefiness of a 5d. Stupid reason but

Based on my previous experience with mirrorless I was concerned about the body size/ergonomics too so I originally ordered mine with the grip but I only kept the grip a short time before selling it. In comparing mirrorless offerings from those I tried from Fuji, Sony and Oly the R fit my hands the best. My hands are average in size but on the thick/athletic side. The controls may take some getting used to but it becomes familiar quite quickly. If there is an issue with size you should be able to cure it with the grip but to repeat from my earlier post the best course of action is to try before you buy if at all possible.

The adapter simply replaces the missing flange that is built into the 6d, so adding it cannot really change too much on the R. It is more likely the R just has less bulk in the hands with a missing mirror box, and possibly a different build, and that throws the center of gravity off a bit with lenses.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18943433
The adapter simply replaces the missing flange that is built into the 6d, so adding it cannot really change too much on the R. It is more likely the R just has less bulk in the hands with a missing mirror box, and possibly a different build, and that throws the center of gravity off a bit with lenses.

The adapter moves the weight of the lens further away from the camera body, thus changing the balance of the camera a bit, compared to the 6D. Especially when using the flipout screen.

Which rf lens should I go for? I’m thinking 50mm or the 28-70mm

Isn't the adapter just the missing flange that is on the 6d? It is a spacer to allow the EF lenses to sit the same distance from the sensor as on the 6d.

If you put the 6d and R with adapter side by side, the front of the adapter vs 6d lens mount will be about the same, with the difference being where the sensor is situated inside the bodies.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18943489
Isn't the adapter just the missing flange that is on the 6d? It is a spacer to allow the EF lenses to sit the same distance from the sensor as on the 6d.

If you put the 6d and R with adapter side by side, the front of the adapter vs 6d lens mount will be about the same, with the difference being where the sensor is situated inside the bodies.

True, but that doesn't really change the fact that the 6D + Tamron 24-70mm G2 seems less front heavy than the R + EF adapter + Tamron 24-70mm G2.
Why? My guess is that it is because the mount on the 6D is placed closer to the center of balance of the camera house than when placed on the R + EF adapter. This moves the mount on the lens 24mm out in front of the camera, where it would be placed on the edge of the camera on the 6D.

It is no big deal, merely an observation.

D-Noc wrote in post #18943507
True, but that doesn't really change the fact that the 6D + Tamron 24-70mm G2 seems less front heavy than the R + EF adapter + Tamron 24-70mm G2.

It is less front-heavy.*

It is not less front heavy because the weight is further from the camera, because it isn't ........ TeamSpeed was precisely correct.

It is less front-heavy because the camera is heavier. . So, as you observed, the center of gravity is moved forward, but no weight has moved forward (because it hasn't).

Based on this most recent post of yours, I realize that you totally get it now, but I just wanted to add my two cents to the discussion anyway and re-state what has already been stated, but in my own words.

*if one defines front-heavy as a proportional thing comparing the weight of the front to the weight of the back, relative to one another

.