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Ring Flash or Bracket for Wedding?

 
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Oct 30, 2019 09:32 |  #1

Hi all;

I have a question that may have been answered before but I couldn't come up with much during a search.

In wedding (or event) photography, we often just use our 660RT's on camera (or off camera if we have time and room for carefully placed shots).

The issue is when we're moving around a lot. One thing that I cannot stand is the portrait "side lighting" that one produces with a flash that has no bracket, BUT I also hate flash brackets ...I know I really can't have it both ways, but I am trying to look for a reasonable idea.

1. Would a ring flash be pretty good for a wedding. I have seen shots that look pretty good. I know the lighting is flat, but the shadow detail can be cool, and if the exposure is set well, you can possibly modulate the ring flash effect as a fill light while still getting those shadows around faces.

Do you guys agree with the above statement? If so, what ring flash would you recommend for this purpose?

2. If not a ring flash, I would use a flash bracket as long as it's not huge and clunky. I have 2 cameras and so does my partner, so they would have to be small enough to sit on a Spider hip holster and still be able to rotate well.

I have never used a flash bracket and the market has TONS of them, so it's hard making the right decision on that.

So looking for recommendations on this. And thanks to everyone for providing great advice over the years!! I really appreciate this site.

Thanks in advance!
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Oct 31, 2019 15:39 |  #2

I've personally never used a ring flash for a wedding or any event but I do frequently use a bracket. The bracket I use is a "Custom Brackets" brand. It is clunky (but I've gotten comfortable with it). The advantage to using a bracket is that it's easy to turn the flash head for bounce flash if desired (and I use bounce flash very frequently). That's not something that can be easily done with a ring flash.




  
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Nov 10, 2019 18:27 |  #3

Wow, this is a bit of a flashback, if you'll excuse the pun. Side shadow is not acceptable from a professional photographer IMHO, so good that you're thinking about this.

Back in the data where the 10D / 20D / and to a lesser extent the 5D Mk1 were king, we used flash brackets. Clunky things they were, but effective. The shadows usually falls behind the subject.

These days high ISO performance is so good that we don't bother with them at all - I don't even know if I still have one. Bounce your flash off something like a ceiling, wall, or have someone with an off camera flash in a hand holdable soft box.

I wouldn't use a ring flash. You'll get small shadows and harsh light.


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Nov 10, 2019 18:58 |  #4

Wow, a post from someone about using a flash bracket with digital camera...almost unheard of any more! :-)

Here is a shot of an older Canon dSLR (shot many years ago) with a Newton Camera Bracket, which puts the flash directly above the lens axis to avoid side shadow. Two photos showing that this relationship to lens axis is maintained regardless of camera being used in Portrait vs. Landscape format.

IMAGE: https://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Equipment/bracket_land.jpg
IMAGE: https://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/wiltonw/Equipment/bracketport_01.jpg

Note the use of the Canon flash extension cord to retain flash hotfoot functionality. The photo does not show the use of the optional Newton vertical extension to raise the flash even higher, as previously pros shot with 'potatomasher' flash units like the Metz 45, which put the light source much higher than today's hotshoe flash units, so that softboxes could be used without blocking the view of the lens.

A flash on bracket firing into a small 11x16" softbox does give a softer source than any ringflash, which are only typically small in diameter (only large enough to fit the lens in the center)

While the Newton is one of the very lightest (but sturdy!) flash brackets on the market, I would not relish the idea of slinging a camera+lens+bracket+le​ns on a hip holster due to both total weight and bulk!

I have used this very bracket to shoot with medium format film camera (Bronica ETRSi) for wedding coverage many years ago, but have not shot any weddings professionally with digital...leave that rat race for the young guys!

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Jan 28, 2020 15:58 |  #5

Never used a ring flash for wedding work. I used to use a bracket years back but not any more. Higher acceptable ISO speeds allow for easy bounce. I will often use a Stofen diffuser on my 600-RT flash. Sometimes I will put the RT transmitter in my flash shoe and move the flash over my head or to side as required (cordless). All depends on ambient light and venue.


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Feb 27, 2020 10:17 |  #6

I would go with a bracket. For me the ring flash give strange looking catchlights.


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Feb 29, 2020 00:06 as a reply to  @ mcap1972's post |  #7

Yes, we ended up going with the large stand ring flash...throws very cool light onto the subject with a large circle catch-light, not the pin light catch-light you get from hand handheld or lens mounted ring light.. GF uses it for selfies on a FB clothing group and I use it to basically go "lazy" on lighting when I cant a cool shot of her or the kids :)


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