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Adding a 70-200 for Non-Pro Youth Sports, looking for ideas and samples?

 
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Nov 21, 2019 08:02 as a reply to  @ post 18963486 |  #16

testing out my new A7 III I used a 24 -105L for volleyball. It did really well. Of course I was courtside, so not an apples to apples comparison. But the take away was that the lens absolutely focused fast enough, even though I was using it adapted to a Sony.

So if you have field side access, I think you could early cover 20 yards either direction of where you are standing, and to mid field shooting across side line to side line. Pretty everything else would be too far away. But absolutely you should be able to get plays that come towards your, runs to your side of the field. My last kids team in pee-wee loved to run a wedge run. Those could be a challenge. But strong side or weak side runs or passes towards you... if you get low enough should work just fine.

The thing for football ( or any field sport) is no lens is going to cover a field. Just not realistic. So you either shoot shorter lenses and do a lot of walking, or have long glass and keep retreating as the play comes toward you. 24-105 would be great under the goal post shooting end zone action. I also found that as you zoomed it held focus really well. I was easily able to track and maintain focus from center bump, to cross court bump, and finally near court slam. (70mm-105mm-24mm).

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Nov 21, 2019 08:48 as a reply to  @ Croasdail's post |  #17

Actually the Sigma 50-500 OS did a pretty good job at covering an entire football game if you were at the 10' line at either end and shoot across, but only for day games. The 100-400 or 70-200 or 70-200 w/1.4x are the other very popular combinations for zoom lenses for field activities, I believe, or at least are combinations I use frequently.

Sometimes I pull out the 150-600 as well, but have to be pretty motivated to shoot with that.


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Nov 21, 2019 11:21 |  #18

Thanks all, appreciate the info and samples. Helps a lot.

I'm not looking to cover the whole event, just grab images when possible. I just literally don't have anything suitable for this on my Canon system. I literally only have a 50mm F1.8 II, 150-600 and 300 F4L when it comes to Canon. The 70-200 range zoom seems to be the most suitable for outdoor track and field stuff with kids, as you're not across an entire olympic or pro field, these are schools, local stuff, etc, small venues, where there's a lot of access to walk around and share some elbow space. I've done a few of them with just the 50mm and while that works, there were definitely times I needed a short lens, but it wasn't for the action side of things, it was mostly for at the end when people are lining up, getting together, categorizing, crossing the finish, doing "photo ops" for parents, etc. But lots of time at the track, most of the time when they're really pumping their heart into the game/sport, it's during the run, and not after crossing the finish line. So I figure I need something long enough. And 50mm to 70mm isn't a massive difference on the APS-H sensor, unlike an APS-C. I could take a mid-range zoom or wide zoom on a 2nd body later on, so might do that too eventually.

I'll take a look at the 70-210, never really looked at the older non-L lenses from Canon. Wasn't sure if they focused fast enough to keep up with sports. They're super affordable!

If all else, most everything seems to be pointing at a 70-200 F4L IS used ($500~600), unless something can come pretty close for a lot less. I am not above using an old cheap black plastic lens on my old 1D3 hah.

And I absolutely will look into a wide to mid-range zoom too, lots of options there. I may also just let my Fuji system handle the wide/mid-range stuff.

I looked at the Canon 28-300L but that just seems.... meh, not sure I want F5.6 as the widest at the long end. The idea of 28mm on a zoom sounds great in theory, but even as an L, I can't imagine it being top notch with such a long zoom range. Can't seem to find it reasonably used for sale either, so... yea, not going to keep looking at this one.

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Nov 21, 2019 11:51 |  #19

Tamron makes an interesting lens: https://petapixel.com …with-endless-flexibility/ (external link)

If AF could keep up with action, and IQ was at least decent, this is a great range for the 1D3.

Sigma 50-100 f1.8 ART maybe too, but not sure if it would vignette on the APS-H.

If you don't need IS, and probably wouldn't with fast action shots, there is a sale on the 70-200 f4L on amazon with free returns...

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Nov 21, 2019 12:04 |  #20

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18963796 (external link)
Tamron makes an interesting lens: https://petapixel.com …with-endless-flexibility/ (external link)

If AF could keep up with action, and IQ was at least decent, this is a great range for the 1D3.

Now that is interesting! Even on a full frame, I find that interesting, a little wider than 70-200 but that is quite friendly to youth sports and the idea of having 35mm on there makes for a better single lens solution and I can totally appreciate that to avoid carrying more stuff.

I will have to look into this one seriously.

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Nov 21, 2019 12:11 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #21

Keep us informed on how that works. I could completely see this being a viable lens for much of what I shoot as well, and actually mounted onto an M50 (56mm - 240mm, or 39mm - 165mm with booster with a 1 stop gain) could be a great all in one lens as a backup camera/lens to the 5D4.


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Nov 21, 2019 12:20 |  #22

I just ran through some reviews and videos, it seems to be a well received lens. Sharpness, stabilization, weather resistance with the seals (blows me away that Canon's L lenses rarely have actual weather resistance outside a few models), the range is very attractive. I absolutely would give up 50mm on the long end, for 35mm on the wide end. Even on full frame, let alone APS-H. I'm all for taking one lens rather than two, and one body rather than two if possible these days, so I can have fun too not just be a mule to myself. The review showed a lot of track & field, so I suppose it should handle it. Hrm, quite interesting. I'll start hunting a used one perhaps. Going from $600 to $800 isn't a big deal really, especially if it means reducing the need for an extra body or extra lens, I'd much rather carry one setup and it handle it all. It's a shorter lens in general, but that's fine with kids and this will live on an APS-H sensor a lot longer than not.

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Nov 21, 2019 13:56 |  #23

I have the Tamron G2 70-200 f2.8 and really like it a lot. Use it often for track & field as well as cross country




  
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Nov 21, 2019 14:13 |  #24

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18963796 (external link)
Tamron makes an interesting lens: https://petapixel.com …with-endless-flexibility/ (external link)

If AF could keep up with action, and IQ was at least decent, this is a great range for the 1D3....

I was not aware of this lens. It might be a great one lens solution (with inherent compromises) to replace a 24-70 and 70-200mm in one MOUNTED lens.
Given my relatively new found appreciation for tamron lenses (I replaced not only my 70-200mm with the Tamron, but also my old "keg" with the 24-70mm VC) I would be surprised if this did not meet my needs!

....and it's a G2 lens for only $800.00 new!
Super tempting.


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Nov 21, 2019 14:55 |  #25

The Tamron is on my GAS list.




  
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Nov 21, 2019 15:12 |  #26

I recently had my Tamron 150-600 serviced on its final 6th year under warranty. Cost me $4 for a total replacement of the focus system, cleaning, etc, and the cost was for signature delivery that I opted for, otherwise, this was the basic warranty coverage without anything on my part other than purchasing it from an authorized dealer (B&H in my case). I usually buy used, but Tamron's service in the USA is really good. At $800 for the 35-150 I may opt for the new lens from a dealer, to also have the coverage. It's not much more expensive than a used 70-200 Canon that's literally 10+ years old and not covered at all other than repair out of pocket.

I thought I wanted 70-200, but really, I'm really, really digging the idea of the 35-150... weather sealed, F2.8~4, single lens solution on a 1D3. It's similar FOV of a 70-200 on full frame, but even wider on my APS-H and still similar on the long end, so its not much different. And the wide end prevents the need of a 2nd lens. I've read nothing but good things about G2 performance.

I recently read Tamron's 70-210 F4 VC and it's AF performance was not as good for action in a few reviews. So that made me weary. My current Tamron 150-600 handles BIF no problem. All the G2 stuff seems to have good praise on focus (but that's all focused on the 70-200 F2.8 G2). If the 35-150 is remotely decent in AF, I'm pretty much sold on that. The only down side... is resale later, if I leave Canon, will lose a lot on the lens unlike a Canon 70-200 which holds its value it seems forever (20 year lenses still $400 and 13 years lenses $600!).

Between a Canon 70-200 F4L IS ($600) and a Tamron 35-150 VC ($800), I'm torn of course. The newer Tamron has warranty for 6 years, weather sealing, and wide end. The Canon can be bought used and sell again for the same amount years later (that's a big benefit... its like a free rental in that sense).

Sigh!

I guess its good to have choices.

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Nov 21, 2019 17:01 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #27

Yeah this lens completely missed my radar as well. So much useless chatter about mirrorless that some of these seemingly really useful lenses aren't making mainstream forum news, or I really am not watching the new posts carefully enough.


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Nov 22, 2019 09:15 |  #28

I have shot my Tamron 70-200 G2 and the Canon 70-200 II side by side and I could not tell a bit of difference between focus speed/accuracy and keeper rate at a XC meet this fall.




  
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Nov 30, 2019 20:33 |  #29

Reporting back,

So while I was hunting around, I happened upon a deal from KEH... after a coupon and all, I ended up with an excellent Canon 70-200 F2.8L IS with the caps, official hood, official tripod collar and official soft case for just under $500 USD shipped. I couldn't really refuse it at that price and it has zero blemishes or markings at all. I wanted to get the Tamron 35-150, and I might still at some point. For now, for the quality of this lens at this price, I'll play with it a bit, and if it's not up to the job, I'll re-sell it easily and move on to the Tamron or something else. So far it's fairly sharp wide open, tracks well, and after MFA it's very good (required a -3mm MFA on my 1D3, thank goodness for MFA, remembering times without it as I had a 70-200 years ago that couldn't be MFA on an older body and it was awful). So far, just practicing with my daughter running towards me, it tracked very well through the whole sequence, wide open. I'll likely shoot it at F3.5 or F4 for the DOF and additional sharpness, but at least for focusing it's F2.8 and if light is poor I have that extra stop.

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Dec 04, 2019 18:01 |  #30

Trying to learn to drag the shutter & pan with the squirt.

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