Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Birds 
Thread started 18 Nov 2019 (Monday) 21:47
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Focus Problem!

 
Atrawick
Member
76 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 15
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Alabama
     
Nov 18, 2019 21:47 |  #1

I am new to Bird Photography. My focus keeps going in and out. Was trying to shoot a bird in a tree and it was a nightmare. I'm using AI servo and spot focus. Any suggestions?




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gonzogolf
dumb remark memorialized
30,919 posts
Gallery: 561 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 14913
Joined Dec 2006
     
Nov 18, 2019 23:29 |  #2

What lens? Do you use the back buttons to focus?




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rgfrison
Senior Member
Avatar
925 posts
Gallery: 180 photos
Likes: 2526
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Oregon
     
Nov 19, 2019 03:24 |  #3

Small targets in low contrast situations can be tricky with AI Servo. Some bodys work better than others, my 1d mk3 was considerably better at AF in low light than my 7d mk1. Keep range as close as possible. I have added macro tubes on occasion to shorten mfd even more. Try to keep af point on eye.

IMAGE: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/hostedphotos_lq/2016/04/3/LQ_787885.jpg
Photo from rgfrison's gallery.
Image hosted by forum (787885)


Setups work well if you can manage them. Put feeders in strategic locations with perches near them, and make them come to you. It is much easier when you control light, background, and distance.

Randy

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Atrawick
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
76 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 15
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Alabama
     
Nov 19, 2019 10:44 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #4

Canon 70 - 200 f4. Wasn't using back button.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Gregsiem
Goldmember
Avatar
1,532 posts
Gallery: 106 photos
Likes: 5437
Joined May 2008
Location: Toronto
     
Nov 19, 2019 10:50 |  #5

Often what happens when trying to shoot birds in trees is that the lens shifts focus to something else around or behind the bird as you move slightly. Ie a leaf or twig grabs the focus and the bird moves out of focus.

This is why many bird photographers use back button focus for this type of shooting. You attain focus once, then release the back button. When you press the shutter, the camera doesn’t try to acquire focus again.

Spot focus is also problematic sometimes if there isn’t enough subject contrast. Try using single point and see if that helps.


_____________
Greg
7D II / 10-22 / 85 / Sigma 24-105 / Sigma 150-600 C / Sigma 100-400 / 430 EX II
flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gonzogolf
dumb remark memorialized
30,919 posts
Gallery: 561 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 14913
Joined Dec 2006
     
Nov 19, 2019 21:58 |  #6

Gregsiem wrote in post #18962720 (external link)
Often what happens when trying to shoot birds in trees is that the lens shifts focus to something else around or behind the bird as you move slightly. Ie a leaf or twig grabs the focus and the bird moves out of focus.

This is why many bird photographers use back button focus for this type of shooting. You attain focus once, then release the back button. When you press the shutter, the camera doesn’t try to acquire focus again.

Spot focus is also problematic sometimes if there isn’t enough subject contrast. Try using single point and see if that helps.

This. Back button focus eliminates shutter stutter where you inadvertently refocus in the process of activating the shutter.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Atrawick
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
76 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 15
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Alabama
     
Nov 20, 2019 14:45 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #7

Thanks, I'll give it a try!




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
FrankKolwicz
Member
91 posts
Likes: 73
Joined Apr 2020
Location: Monmouth, Oregon, USA
     
Apr 22, 2020 18:54 |  #8

Atrawick wrote in post #18962446 (external link)
I am new to Bird Photography. My focus keeps going in and out. Was trying to shoot a bird in a tree and it was a nightmare. I'm using AI servo and spot focus. Any suggestions?

I agree with the other respondent that the camera is probably picking up twigs and branches or other stuff in front of, behind or near the bird as it moves around and the AF automatically assumes that this other object is the subject. For that reason, I turn off automatic focus "hunting" and use manual focus to follow the subject and then let the camera autofocus just before tripping the shutter.

Even when out in the open, the AF hunting will throw the focus way off at times when a moving bird leaves the AF point and the camera tries to focus on the background and, if that's far away, or has nothing to focus on, it can put the focus so far off that it won't find the subject when you get back on it. This happens a lot on water birds as the reflection off the water is essentially at infinity to the AF system and that's where it shifts the focus and can't come back. Big waste of time while the bird is moving out of sight.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,816 views & 2 likes for this thread, 5 members have posted to it and it is followed by 7 members.
Focus Problem!
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Birds 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is semonsters
1497 guests, 137 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.