high ISO for poor lighting

sapearl wrote in post #18976433
VERY nicely processed. Patience and knowledge can go a long way in low light.

It didn't happen overnight. A few of years of frustration. TeamSpeed uses a multi step process that gets nice results.

Another approach if you have the time and want a nice smooth background with a sharp subject on a critical file. I use it for wildlife and extreme crops. It seems slow at first but once you get the hang of it, it is pretty fast.

Pick a file in LR and edit it for the background noise. You can go to town and really crank NR up. I turn sharpening to almost nothing, apply the masking slider and turn Texture or Clarity off. Your subject will be pretty dull. Use the edit in PS command. I like to send it as a smart object so I can access ACR later if I need to. Now undo what you did and concentrate on the subject. It will need some NR but not as much. Getting it looking good and sharp and don't worry about the background. Use the edit in PS command again.

In PS you will have two files. The dull one and the sharp one. I rename them by double clicking on the file name and call the sharp file S for subject and the dull file N for noise.

1. Select file S

2. This part is a little tricky. Place the cursor on the file itself, press the shift key and with the left mouse button drag the cursor to the other files name tab at the top bar. Once the N file opens drag the curser back to the file itself and release the mouse followed by the shift key. These steps have to be followed precisely.

NOTE: Probably something in my setup up. When dragging the cursor the file has to be floating. Sometimes it tries to move it as as grid. If this happens just undo it and try again.

3. Now you will have two layers. Select the S layer.

4. The mask has to be black so hold the Option key I (I don't know the PC equivalent) and click on the masking button.

5. Select the brush and set the foreground colour to white.

Now just paint to reveal your sharp subject that in is the lower layer. When done select Layer at the top bar and Flatten image. If you sent it as a smart object you can open ACR to do more edits. When done press "Save" only and it will open as a TIFF in LR.

Here I painted the groundhog and the foreground.

Ltdave wrote in post #18976042
gives me heartburn. its not TERRIBLE but with my 5d3, shooting hockey i run wide open a f2.8, 1/800ss and 3200 ISO. id LIKE to cut the ISO though...

i put in some noise reduction and a touch of sharpening already and they dont look horrible for how their used but im wondering...

could i shoot with a lower ISO with the resultant underexposure (keeping the SS/f. the same) and then pull up the exposure and shadows in post without having manifest noise...

That would be the absolute worst thing you could do, to maintain the same actual sensor exposure (dictated by llighting, shuttere speed, and f-number).

If the noise is bothering you, make sure you aren't using HTP, which is not a great idea on the 5D3 at any low ore medium ISO (like 3200), or any camera subject to banding noise in the shadows of base ISO. Those noises are there at higher ISOs, too, and become more visible when you raise the shadows of medium ones like 3200.

With some camera, it won't matter as much, but with the 5D3, you want to use a high enough exposure to keep your capture in the higher tones. You do increase the risk of highlight clipping, though, when relying on camera metering or you have inconsistent lighting.

If the venue has fairly even lighting, you might try full manual (Av/Tv/ISO) mode, and use the highest ISO that doesn't clip highlights in some test shots that include some white areas. On the 5D3, consider 100, 200, 400, etc, and 160, 320, 640, etc to be the better ISOs and stay away from 125, 250, 500, etc, as the camera throws away 1/3 stop of RAW highlight headroom from those.

digital paradise wrote in post #18978025
Another approach if you have the time and want a nice smooth background with a sharp subject on a critical file. I use it for wildlife and extreme crops. It seems slow at first but once you get the hang of it, it is pretty fast.

Pick a file in LR and edit it for the background noise. You can go to town and really crank NR up. I turn sharpening to almost nothing, apply the masking slider and turn Texture or Clarity off. Your subject will be pretty dull. Use the edit in PS command. I like to send it as a smart object so I can access ACR later if I need to. Now undo what you did and concentrate on the subject. It will need some NR but not as much. Getting it looking good and sharp and don't worry about the background. Use the edit in PS command again.

In PS you will have two files. The dull one and the sharp one. I rename them by double clicking on the file name and call the sharp file S for subject and the dull file N for noise.

1. Select file S

2. This part is a little tricky. Place the cursor on the file itself, press the shift key and with the left mouse button drag the cursor to the other files name tab at the top bar. Once the N file opens drag the curser back to the file itself and release the mouse followed by the shift key. These steps have to be followed precisely.

NOTE: Probably something in my setup up. When dragging the cursor the file has to be floating. Sometimes it tries to move it as as grid. If this happens just undo it and try again.

3. Now you will have two layers. Select the S layer.

4. The mask has to be black so hold the Option key I (I don't know the PC equivalent) and click on the masking button.

5. Select the brush and set the foreground colour to white.

Now just paint to reveal your sharp subject that in is the lower layer. When done select Layer at the top bar and Flatten image. If you sent it as a smart object you can open ACR to do more edits. When done press "Save" only and it will open as a TIFF in LR.

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lots to learn but i dont have PhotoShop... i do everything in LightRoom...

Ltdave wrote in post #18978475
lots to learn but i dont have PhotoShop... i do everything in LightRoom...

This is $15 but pretty decent. He does spend some time in PS but the LR part is good. No sure if this will your specific situation. I'm not associated with him or the site.

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Ltdave wrote in post #18976042
gives me heartburn. its not TERRIBLE but with my 5d3, shooting hockey i run wide open a f2.8, 1/800ss and 3200 ISO. id LIKE to cut the ISO though...

i put in some noise reduction and a touch of sharpening already and they dont look horrible for how their used but im wondering...

could i shoot with a lower ISO with the resultant underexposure (keeping the SS/f. the same) and then pull up the exposure and shadows in post without having manifest noise...

I would have no qualms shooting my 5D3 at ISO 3200 for ice hockey. You definitely do not want to underexpose in order to get a lower ISO. In fact, I got the best results by overexposing by around a stop from the meter reading, and then reducing highlights in Lightroom in order to bring detail back to the ice.

I have not shot hockey in quite a awhile, but here are a couple from a few years ago at ISO 6400 which I found acceptable. All processing was done in whatever version of Lightroom I was using at that time.

Scott M wrote in post #18979955
I would have no qualms shooting my 5D3 at ISO 3200 for ice hockey. You definitely do not want to underexpose in order to get a lower ISO. In fact, I got the best results by overexposing by around a stop from the meter reading, and then reducing highlights in Lightroom in order to bring detail back to the ice.

I have not shot hockey in quite a awhile, but here are a couple from a few years ago at ISO 6400 which I found acceptable. All processing was done in whatever version of Lightroom I was using at that time.

Here's one of Connor McDavid when he was playing in the OHL.

Nice shots. Getting to shoot NHL games must be a lot of fun.

digital paradise wrote in post #18980026
Nice shots. Getting to shoot NHL games must be a lot of fun.

Thanks. That Detroit Red Wings photo wasn't from an actual game, though. The Red Wings were using our local arena that housed our Ontario Hockey League team for their training camp after the last NHL lockout, and they had free open practices and scrimmages. I was a long time season ticket holder for the OHL team -- the Plymouth Whalers -- who relocated to Flint, Michigan 4 years ago. The arena was then purchased by USA Hockey, who relocated their National Team Development Program (NTDP) to the complex from nearby Ann Arbor. We now have season tickets for the NTDP, as we live only about 5 minutes from the complex.

The second shot was from the same arena -- known as Compuware Arena then, and USA Hockey Arena now. It was the final game for the Plymouth Whalers before they relocated to Flint, and also Connor McDavid's last regular season OHL game before becoming the 1st pick in the NHL Draft and heading to the Edmonton Oilers.

I do need to bring my camera to the arena to get some shots of the USA Hockey team. I meant to do it last season when the team had so many top NHL prospects, including last summer's #1 overall draft pick Jack Hughes -- now playing for the New Jersey Devils.

the highest league ive ever shot was AHL and it was quite different then the FHL (now FPHL) that i usually shoot now...

id love to get to shoot an NHL season. the last Red Wings game i went to, they were broadcasting over the PA system no lenses over 85mm so, from where i sat, it was fruitless. of course i went to WATCH the game with my daughter, not shoot it...

Scott M wrote in post #18980082
Thanks. That Detroit Red Wings photo wasn't from an actual game, though. The Red Wings were using our local arena that housed our Ontario Hockey League team for their training camp after the last NHL lockout, and they had free open practices and scrimmages. I was a long time season ticket holder for the OHL team -- the Plymouth Whalers -- who relocated to Flint, Michigan 4 years ago. The arena was then purchased by USA Hockey, who relocated their National Team Development Program (NTDP) to the complex from nearby Ann Arbor. We now have season tickets for the NTDP, as we live only about 5 minutes from the complex.

The second shot was from the same arena -- known as Compuware Arena then, and USA Hockey Arena now. It was the final game for the Plymouth Whalers before they relocated to Flint, and also Connor McDavid's last regular season OHL game before becoming the 1st pick in the NHL Draft and heading to the Edmonton Oilers.

I do need to bring my camera to the arena to get some shots of the USA Hockey team. I meant to do it last season when the team had so many top NHL prospects, including last summer's #1 overall draft pick Jack Hughes -- now playing for the New Jersey Devils.

My best friend would be in heaven. He has been a die hard Detroit fan his whole life. For me it has beens Boston since I was about 10. Of course our home town Winnipeg Jets trump everything else. He also shoots Nikon so as you can imagine we have some fun giving each other the gears.

I shoot one of is games every year. After culling I gave the team 424 shots. The boys love it. My buddy is 65 so I tell him he is much easier to track these days Some of these ISO's are cranked up and I shot through netting for some. They don't have a holes in the corners.

I'm pretty happy when I can get the back of the net. Through the netting again so the ice looks weird.

digital paradise wrote in post #18980097
My best friend would be in heaven. He has been a die hard Detroit fan his whole life. For me it has beens Boston since I was about 10. Of course our home town Winnipeg Jets trump everything else. He also shoots Nikon so as you can imagine we have some fun giving each other the gears.

I shoot one of is games every year. After culling I gave the team 424 shots. The boys love it. My buddy is 65 so I tell him he is much easier to track these days Some of these ISO's are cranked up and I shot through netting for some. They don't have a holes in the corners.

I am actually a diehard Montreal Canadiens fan -- been one for 50 years, and am probably one of the few non-Wings fans in southeastern Michigan.

We are fortunate that we have USA Hockey's NTDP so close to home, and previously had the Whalers from the OHL. I've seen a lot of future NHL stars while they were playing major junior. The Whalers alumni include Tyler Seguin, James Neal, David Legwand, Rickard Rakell, J.T. Miller, Vincent Trocheck, Tom Wilson, Micheal Neuvirth and Sonny Milano. Visiting teams brought players like Patrick Kane, Connor McDavid, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Aaron Eklblad, Taylor Hall, P.K. Subban, etc.

Here's Tyler Sequin with the Whalers during their annual "pink out" game for breast cancer way back in 2009. I only had a Canon 40D back then.

Ltdave wrote in post #18980095
the highest league ive ever shot was AHL and it was quite different then the FHL (now FPHL) that i usually shoot now...

id love to get to shoot an NHL season. the last Red Wings game i went to, they were broadcasting over the PA system no lenses over 85mm so, from where i sat, it was fruitless. of course i went to WATCH the game with my daughter, not shoot it...

That's the reason I haven't brought my camera to a USA Hockey NTDP game since they bought our arena. It's too hard to both watch the game and shoot photos at the same time. I did want to get some shots of Jack Hughes last season, but just never got around to bringing my camera to a game.

Scott M wrote in post #18980172
I am actually a diehard Montreal Canadiens fan -- been one for 50 years, and am probably one of the few non-Wings fans in southeastern Michigan.

We are fortunate that we have USA Hockey's NTDP so close to home, and previously had the Whalers from the OHL. I've seen a lot of future NHL stars while they were playing major junior. The Whalers alumni include Tyler Seguin, James Neal, David Legwand, Rickard Rakell, J.T. Miller, Vincent Trocheck, Tom Wilson, Micheal Neuvirth and Sonny Milano. Visiting teams brought players like Patrick Kane, Connor McDavid, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Aaron Eklblad, Taylor Hall, P.K. Subban, etc.

Here's Tyler Sequin with the Whalers during their annual "pink out" game for breast cancer way back in 2009. I only had a Canon 40D back then.

I was in Boston the year before they tore the Gardens down. We took a tour. They actually called the visiting teams dressing room Montreal’s room. It was red as I recall and had player autographs in the walls, etc.