Official- EOS-1D X Mark III - Announcement

I just saw the Marina Canto video this morning (I follow her on FB)
Great stuff! Wild Dogs and Pangolins, what's not to like?

So I've been thinking about this ever since the pre-order was made available, and I THINK I've made a decision that will stick... think...

I am about to part with my old warhorse 1D4, and if I also sold the 1DXII that would mean less than $3K outlay for the DXIII... so It's not out of the question price wise,. In fact it's downright reasonable.

As much as I'd like to jump on this latest 1D bandwagon, and be part of the first 20 pages of the -=Official 1DXIII=- thread,. play an active part in sussing this beast out,.

... just as I HAD to upgrade the 5D3 to the 5D4, which ended up being one of the best upgrades in Canon history,. I can't imagine NOT doing the same with a potential "5D" or "R" that incorporates much of this new tech into it, at lower FPS with a larger sensor. So I think I will take the wait and see approach. I'm certainly in no need to upgrade a barely used 1DXII.

We shall see if this line of thinking sticks..

Where will be the cheapest to buy it?

Delaware in US and Hong Kong are the 2 places in my mind, which I don't know how safe is the latter one these days.

I never tried tax free when I was buying my camera equipment before. Anyone has an experience with that? Can I buy it from New York and get a tax refund?

In Sweden it's with a 64 GB card too. But the cost, VAT included, is SEK 86990.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #18991284
So I've been thinking about this ever since the pre-order was made available, and I THINK I've made a decision that will stick... think...

I am about to part with my old warhorse 1D4, and if I also sold the 1DXII that would mean less than $3K outlay for the DXIII... so It's not out of the question price wise,. In fact it's downright reasonable.

As much as I'd like to jump on this latest 1D bandwagon, and be part of the first 20 pages of the -=Official 1DXIII=- thread,. play an active part in sussing this beast out,.

... just as I HAD to upgrade the 5D3 to the 5D4, which ended up being one of the best upgrades in Canon history,. I can't imagine NOT doing the same with a potential "5D" or "R" that incorporates much of this new tech into it, at lower FPS with a larger sensor. So I think I will take the wait and see approach. I'm certainly in no need to upgrade a barely used 1DXII.

We shall see if this line of thinking sticks..

As soon as wifey finds out, this line of thinking will last about 15 seconds

dpreview Canon EOS-1D X Mark III pre-production sample gallery...............

All images are un-edited jpegs!

*When inn click on GRID VIEW(top left) and it will show the lens used and settings used under each image!*
https://www.dpreview.c​om …sample-gallery/1444511941

I am astounded at the quality and the VERY high ISO performance with no noise in some of the shots!. WOW

I have included a couple of the shots from link above and the ISO's used!
1st image Basketball ISO 12800

2nd image Band ISO 51200

Alan B wrote in post #18991402
dpreview Canon EOS-1D X Mark III pre-production sample gallery...............

All images are un-edited jpegs!

*When inn click on GRID VIEW(top left) and it will show the lens used and settings used under each image!*
https://www.dpreview.c​om …sample-gallery/1444511941

I am astounded at the quality and the VERY high ISO performance with no noise in some of the shots!. WOW

I have included a couple of the shots from link above and the ISO's used!
1st image Basketball ISO 12800

2nd image Band ISO 51200

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I would have to pixel peep to see. But to be honest, it doesn't look cleaner than the current 1Dx2 at 12800 ISO with a JPeg file....especially shot at F/2.8

going to be interesting to see comparisons. I suspect its not going to be that much cleaner

the quality of light above 16000 is bad and not much is going to change that fact. I really doubt its going to be that much cleaner for ISO....it might be in D5 territory.....and again...quality of the light is the determine factor and not the sensor in the camera

umphotography wrote in post #18991438
I would have to pixel peep to see. But to be honest, it doesn't look cleaner than the current 1Dx2 at 12800 ISO with a JPeg file....especially shot at F/2.8

going to be interesting to see comparisons. I suspect its not going to be that much cleaner

the quality of light above 16000 is bad and not much is going to change that fact. I really doubt its going to be that much cleaner for ISO....it might be in D5 territory.....and again...quality of the light is the determine factor and not the sensor in the camera

I tend to agree with you. At some point, as ISO is increased due to less light, most of the noise becomes "shot noise", where one pixel just gets more photons than another pixel due to chance.

https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/Shot_noise

I was checking the D6 expected specs. Seems like nearly the same camera as Mark iii. Will be interesting to see that one as the main competitor. Official announcement is soon I guess. IBIS and 24 MP are the only differences as I read.

Capn Jack wrote in post #18991478
I tend to agree with you. At some point, as ISO is increased due to less light, most of the noise becomes "shot noise", where one pixel just gets more photons than another pixel due to chance.

https://en.wikipedia.o​rg/wiki/Shot_noise

Shot noise dominates the higher tones of lower ISO. The higher you go up the ISO scale, and/or the deeper you go into shadows, the more the noise is dominated by read noise, as long as cameras continue to have read noise.

What *is* true (and you may have misunderstood) is that photon noise increases with each stop of decreased absolute exposure, but again, like something else I wrote recently, "correct" and "relevant" are two separate things. The fact is, for each one stop decrease in exposure, added noise like read noise DOUBLES relative to signal, but photon noise only increases 41% relative to signal.

Sure, we could benefit from upping the overall quantum efficiency of sensors from about 15% (due to color filters) to about 90%, but the fact still is that read noise is making the worst of current quantum efficiencies in deep shadows and/or very high ISOs.

What do you think that the horizontal banding noise in the D5 at ISOs of around 800K and higher is? Hint: It's not photon noise.
More photons at the same ISO would be very nice, but we're stuck right now with the pathetic quantum efficiency of color filters, so lower levels of read noise, and finer, more random read noise character is the only thing that is going to help with the current color filter designs.

John- Please don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. As you get fewer photons hotting a detector, the noise will be dominated by "shot noise". Looking at the images from the 1DX3 releases, the high ISO images seem remarkably clean, but those images don't show the uper limits of the camera.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18991594
Shot noise dominates the higher tones of lower ISO. The higher you go up the ISO scale, and/or the deeper you go into shadows, the more the noise is dominated by read noise, as long as cameras continue to have read noise.

The read noise from our cameras is down to around 2-5 electrons:
https://clarkvision.co​m …mance.summary/#​read_noise
So read noise really isn't a concern to us.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18991594
What *is* true (and you may have misunderstood) is that photon noise increases with each stop of decreased absolute exposure, but again, like something else I wrote recently, "correct" and "relevant" are two separate things. The fact is, for each one stop decrease in exposure, added noise like read noise DOUBLES relative to signal, but photon noise only increases 41% relative to signal.

Do you have a reference for any of this? I'm not sure what I may have misunderstood, since you just jumped in here. With a sufficiently sensitive detector, and sufficiently low light, you will see "shot noise", and the 1D X 3 sensor may be sufficiently sensitive to see shot noise.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18991594
Sure, we could benefit from upping the overall quantum efficiency of sensors from about 15% (due to color filters) to about 90%, but the fact still is that read noise is making the worst of current quantum efficiencies in deep shadows and/or very high ISOs.

Where are you getting your numbers from? Do you have any references to support your numbers?
This site:
https://www.ideiki.com​/astro/EOS.aspx
Claims an unmodified 7D2 to have a QE of 59% at an unspecified wavelength. I suspect the 1D X 3 will be better than that.

Other cameras are listed to have a QE > the 15% value you listed, so if you have better data, please feel free to cite it.

John Sheehy wrote in post #18991594
What do you think that the horizontal banding noise in the D5 at ISOs of around 800K and higher is? Hint: It's not photon noise.
More photons at the same ISO would be very nice, but we're stuck right now with the pathetic quantum efficiency of color filters, so lower levels of read noise, and finer, more random read noise character is the only thing that is going to help with the current color filter designs.

We aren't discussing the "D5" in this thread. This Canon does color at ISO 4 million, but it isn't a 1D X3.
https://www.canon.com.​cy …purpose-cameras/me20f-sh/

Robinson Crusoe wrote in post #18991501
I was checking the D6 expected specs. Seems like nearly the same camera as Mark iii. Will be interesting to see that one as the main competitor. Official announcement is soon I guess. IBIS and 24 MP are the only differences as I read.

For me, the D6 and 500 PF combo sure would be interesting.

For me regards the ISO, I will be coming from a 1D MKIV which is "noisy" after 1600!. So as I said it astounding to me

Alan B wrote in post #18991692
For me regards the ISO, I will be coming from a 1D MKIV which is "noisy" after 1600!. So as I said it astounding to me

How fast time goes. I remember like it was yesterday, situations in which a group of bird photographers were gathered in a place very shaded with foliage, and the sun went behind thick clouds, and the people with Canon 50D cameras let their gear hang from their necks and watched the people with 1DIV cameras continue to shoot. "He can get away with ISO 1600 with that camera", they said.

Of course, most bird photographers I know go by 100% pixel views, and the 1DIV had significantly better AF than the 50D, but not a whole lot less subject-level noise in focal-length-limited situations than the latest APS-C bodies with a given lens. The people with the 1DIV bodies were also generally using larger lenses, but somehow the larger pixels and sensor got the full credit.

Alan B wrote in post #18991692
For me regards the ISO, I will be coming from a 1D MKIV which is "noisy" after 1600!. So as I said it astounding to me

its going to be mind blowing coming off a 1DMKIV- trust me on that