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Jan 21, 2020 19:51 |  #1

I need to deduct rather than depreciate any equipment that I buy.

Regarding Section 179:

a1) Can I use it for camera lenses and such?

a2) I read that my business has to be in its first year in order to claim a 100% deduction via Section 179. Is this true? Source here: https://vault.buildbun​ker.com …deductions-photographers/ (external link)
Source states: "In order to deduct all the upfront costs at once, your photography business must be in its first year"

Regarding de minimis safe harbor:

b1) Can I use it for camera lenses and such?

b2) How do I get an applicable financial statement so that the dollar limit increases from $2,500 to $5,000?


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c1) And how are credit card payments treated, e.g. if I buy a lens in Dec 2019 but have payments throughout Jan-Dec 2020, can I deduct those payments? If so, under which rule?


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Jan 21, 2020 20:29 |  #2

As I understand, if you're a business that qualifies for 179...it's best that you consult a CPA anyway. Tax code is complicated, so there is no way to generalize and give you optimal tax advise. As such, I think your link is garbage. I was self employed for a number of years (different category) and heard all sorts of advice about how I should become incorporated and have a state license. But my income was from out of state and I wound up having better taxes in my bracket by using a home office deduction. So much depends on your situation from what form of business you have, what kind of cash transactions you have, and what tangibles and deductions you can claim (another example, since my income wasn't local, I didn't have company car and could deduct more with conventions and professional education).


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Jan 21, 2020 20:31 |  #3

179 seems like it would easily apply to a really small business that might not have a CPA?

https://ttlc.intuit.co​m …on-179-property/00/656119 (external link)

And yeah, I suspected that link was garbage. I'm glad you said it too.


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Jan 21, 2020 20:38 as a reply to  @ icor1031's post |  #4

Maybe, but it depends on your income. If your income is starting to become significant with photography, then you'd be well served to consider home office/small business tax implications. If you're using Turbotax, doesn't hurt to also check and see your taxes if you qualify for home office expenses. A CPA will also know your own state laws as to whether incorporation/deductio​ns apply.


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Jan 21, 2020 20:39 |  #5

davesrose wrote in post #18996237 (external link)
Maybe, but it depends on your income. If your income is starting to become significant with photography, then you'd be well served to consider home office/small business tax implications. If you're using Turbotax, doesn't hurt to also check and see your taxes if you qualify for home office expenses. A CPA will also know your own state laws as to whether incorporation/deductio​ns apply.

Right now I get about 1k/yr... But I have two opportunities to shoot weddings for other businesses, and I'm hoping to take both -- as a contractor. I suspect that my income could be anywhere from 7k to 30k this year.

I want to make sure that I don't screw myself, before accepting. If I can't deduct and have to depreciate, then I have income and I lose my pell grant, etc. That wouldn't be so bad, except that with my assistance, I actually lose MORE than I earn.


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Jan 21, 2020 20:55 as a reply to  @ icor1031's post |  #6

1K isn't much to declare...but a swing from 7 to 30K is quite a difference (hence why I don't think you'd get good advice for your specific situation here). Especially if you're getting into 30K, you may do best figuring out estimated taxes now. Or perhaps with your situation, the penalties won't be bad...all depends and how you can be looking at documents about business (not just *photography*).


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Jan 21, 2020 20:59 |  #7

davesrose wrote in post #18996251 (external link)
Especially if you're getting into 30K, you may do best figuring out estimated taxes now.

If I can 179/de minimis everything, I'd have zero tax burden. Just making sure that's true.


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Jan 21, 2020 21:07 as a reply to  @ icor1031's post |  #8

One flag I can see is what is "business". So it has to be the bulk of your business. If this is a side business, then I'm not sure it qualifies for what needs to be 50+% your trade.


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Jan 21, 2020 21:09 |  #9

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One flag I can see is what is "business". So it has to be the bulk of your business. If this is a side business, then I'm not sure it qualifies for what needs to be 50+% your trade.

Student, no other income. I didn't know that was a rule, thank you.


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Jan 21, 2020 21:15 |  #10

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My photography income has fallen somewhere between $5,000 and $12,000 each year, for the past 10 years.

I can easily come up with more allowable expenses than I have in income, each year. . Finding enough allowable expenses is never any problem at all. . In fact, I usually leave a lot of legitimate expenses unclaimed, because I want to show a small profit each year, to keep the IRS from auditing me or questioning me.

I cannot imagine that you would have trouble coming up with enough expenses to cover the income from a few weddings.

Mileage alone should provide you with plenty enough. . Every time you drive anywhere for anything photography-related, you can deduct the insanely high amount of 57.5 cents per mile. . Perhaps you drive to Mitchell or Pierre to "meet with someone about being a 2nd shooter for future events" ...... deduct a gazillion dollars! . Perhaps you "need to" drive to Gilette to pick up a camera or lens accessory that "wasn't in stock at the place in Rapid City" (wink wink) ...... deduct another gazillion dollars! . LOL

Or maybe you find a model you'd like to shoot in Sioux Falls, and you drive there to shoot her one weekend. . Deduct the mileage, the motel, the meals at restaurants, etc. . Just make sure to get her to sign a release (you would anyway, of course), and then contact a few publishers or ad agencies about licensing the images to them, or submit the images to a stock agency. . Whatever you need to do to make it a "business effort" instead of a hobby. . As long as you have detailed records that make it look legit, you can claim all related expenses without any fear of getting in tax trouble.

My accountant actually burst out in laughter when I showed up with over $21,000 in allowable photography expenses for 2017, when I only earned $8,000 from photography. . He and his wife are used to my methods, and always look forward to what my claims are going to be each year.

They're great folks, and I'm glad to have them. . I do all the work documenting the expenses, but they know how to fill the forms out just right and how to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s. . Having them prepare and file my returns is well worth the $200 that they charge. . Plus, if I have any questions about taxes or expenses, I can just call or email them at any time, and get a professional answer ..... which sure beats seeking the internet and forums for advice :lol:

There's another tax accountant in my community that only charges $75 for each year's return. . I use her when the other couple is booked solid, or when I don't feel like spending $200. . She's really cool, too. . I have no doubt that in a big city like Rapid City, you'll be able to find a professional to do your taxes for you, for a very modest fee. . I can't imagine trying to figure out the Tax Code myself when full time professionals will do it for me for so cheap.

Just have fun with it! . Don't take it so seriously. . A lot of creative thinking and detailed documentation will cover you all the way to the bank.

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My photography income has fallen somewhere between $5,000 and $12,000 each year, for the past 10 years.

I can easily come up with more allowable expenses than I have in income, each year. . Finding enough allowable expenses is never any problem at all. . In fact, I usually leave a lot of legitimate expenses unclaimed, because I want to show a small profit each year, to keep the IRS from auditing me or questioning me.

I cannot imagine that you would have trouble coming up with enough expenses to cover the income from a few weddings.

Mileage alone should provide you with plenty enough. . Every time you drive anywhere for anything photography-related, you can deduct the insanely high amount of 57.5 cents per mile. . Perhaps you drive to Mitchell or Pierre to "meet with someone about being a 2nd shooter for future events" ...... deduct a gazillion dollars! . Perhaps you "need to" drive to Gilette to pick up a camera or lens accessory that "wasn't in stock at the place in Rapid City" (wink wink) ...... deduct another gazillion dollars! . LOL

Or maybe you find a model you'd like to shoot in Sioux Falls, and you drive there to shoot her one weekend. . Deduct the mileage, the motel, the meals at restaurants, etc. . Just make sure to get her to sign a release (you would anyway, of course), and then contact a few publishers or ad agencies about licensing the images to them, or submit the images to a stock agency. . Whatever you need to do to make it a "business effort" instead of a hobby. . As long as you have detailed records that make it look legit, you can claim all related expenses without any fear of getting in tax trouble.

My accountant actually burst out in laughter when I showed up with over $21,000 in allowable photography expenses for 2017, when I only earned $8,000 from photography. . He and his wife are used to my methods, and always look forward to what my claims are going to be each year.

They're great folks, and I'm glad to have them. . I do all the work documenting the expenses, but they know how to fill the forms out just right and how to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s. . Having them prepare and file my returns is well worth the $200 that they charge. . Plus, if I have any questions about taxes or expenses, I can just call or email them at any time, and get a professional answer ..... which sure beats seeking the internet and forums for advice :lol:

There's another tax accountant in my community that only charges $75 for each year's return. . I use her when the other couple is booked solid, or when I don't feel like spending $200. . She's really cool, too. . I have no doubt that in a big city like Rapid City, you'll be able to find a professional to do your taxes for you, for a very modest fee. . I can't imagine trying to figure out the Tax Code myself when full time professionals will do it for me for so cheap.

Just have fun with it! . Don't take it so seriously. . A lot of creative thinking and detailed documentation will cover you all the way to the bank.

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Thanks for all of that!
If I accept these jobs, I am planning to hire an accountant. I just wanted to get an idea beforehand whether I should take these jobs at all for the reasons mentioned. Sounds like I'm pretty safe.


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Jan 21, 2020 21:27 as a reply to  @ icor1031's post |  #12

We formed an LLC for multiple reasons, and the gear we buy is marked off as expense 100% the year we buy it, we don't depreciate across the years.

Once you exceed around 10k in revenue, I suggest forming an LLC, and stop doing the schedule C on your 1040. That LLC comes with both tax breaks and liability protection. The schedule C will actually start to cost you more than an LLC filling and subsequent business entity updates.


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Jan 21, 2020 21:51 |  #13

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Student, no other income. I didn't know that was a rule, thank you.


Then there are more implications if you're going to be using deductions for student loans in 2020. I'm fiscally conservative....and would also recommend setting up a IRA as deductions as well. It's great in that an IRA is something that will most probably accrue over a course of years, and its a deduction. It's also best to think about savings when you're in your 20s and need less money to save and get more with compound interest.


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Jan 21, 2020 21:56 |  #14

davesrose wrote in post #18996283 (external link)
Then there are more implications if you're going to be using deductions for student loans in 2020. [..] It's also best to think about savings when you're in your 20s and need less money to save and get more with compound interest.


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Jan 21, 2020 23:19 |  #15

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Once you exceed around 10k in revenue, I suggest forming an LLC, and stop doing the schedule B on your 1040.

You mean Schedule C.


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