Good Bye to 5D- EOS R5 on the way

sapearl wrote in post #19011375
I'd sure get a "Photo-Migraine" if the price of the body was $10,000

Canon would help Sony sell more cameras at that price, seeing the camera has not been released yet I doubt anyone outside of Canon knows the price.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19009733
Canon announced the specs, haven't you been following along?

The only speculation is about low light AF, but it isn't a stretch as the Eos r isn't too bad by itself but the R5 will be better. All other specs are direct from Canon.

Dont agree

Lots of questions to be answered

Price- my guess is 4K

Technology- how much of this 1Dx3 AF technology be passed to the R5 ??- Major question to be answered

Low light AF performance- 1000% agreed

Cards ??

M-raw most wedding and portrait shooters will not be excited about a 40-45Mb sensor- hopefully an M-raw setting

Cheaper R mounts that are fast- Example 50 1.4 v/s RF 50 come to mind

This new technology could indeed freeze a lot out if its very pricy because the current DSLR's are excellent

umphotography wrote in post #19011781
Dont agree

Lots of questions to be answered

Price- my guess is 4K

Technology- how much of this 1Dx3 AF technology be passed to the R5 ??- Major question to be answered

Low light AF performance- 1000% agreed

Cards ??

M-raw most wedding and portrait shooters will not be excited about a 40-45Mb sensor- hopefully an M-raw setting

Cheaper R mounts that are fast- Example 50 1.4 v/s RF 50 come to mind

This new technology could indeed freeze a lot out if its very pricy because the current DSLR's are excellent

I was addressing the questions raised to me, and yes for what I was addressing, the Canon announcement addresses these, other than low light AF. One has to follow the context path of the replies, either through quotes or the "replied to" in the upper right.

This was what I was replying to, and not all these other questions.

Your questions are all valid, but I never said Canon addressed all of these, they simply put out another "stop the bleeding" development announcement, like the last time. I wish they would just provide preliminary specs instead of their vague news snippets. Yes, it will have 12/20fps at full resolution, as it always has been for still burst rates, and yes it will have 40-45Mpx sensor.

If most of the 1DX3 is going to make it into this camera, it will indeed be at least a $4000 body. The R6 will likely be a stripped down version of this for around $3000, just like the R vs RP, or may be a stripped down crop body, who knows?

Trey T wrote in post #19008826
1. You believe R5 will have 12/20fps @ 45/45mp, respectively?
2. You believe R5 low-light AF, w/o using AF assist (e.g. light or IR), will perform better than 5Div?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19011795
I was addressing the questions raised to me, and yes for what I was addressing, the Canon announcement addresses these, other than low light AF. One has to follow the context path of the replies, either through quotes or the "replied to" in the upper right.

This was what I was replying to, and not all these other questions.

Your questions are all valid, but I never said Canon addressed all of these, they simply put out another "stop the bleeding" development announcement, like the last time. I wish they would just provide preliminary specs instead of their vague news snippets. Yes, it will have 12/20fps at full resolution, as it always has been for still burst rates, and yes it will have 40-45Mpx sensor.

If most of the 1DX3 is going to make it into this camera, it will indeed be at least a $4000 body. The R6 will likely be a stripped down version of this for around $3000, just like the R vs RP, or may be a stripped down crop body, who knows?

Agreed

Its gonna be very interesting in about 1o days- I think its going to get ints Introduction at WPPI

umphotography wrote in post #19011781
Dont agree

Lots of questions to be answered

Price- my guess is 4K

Technology- how much of this 1Dx3 AF technology be passed to the R5 ??- Major question to be answered

Low light AF performance- 1000% agreed

Cards ??

M-raw most wedding and portrait shooters will not be excited about a 40-45Mb sensor- hopefully an M-raw setting

Cheaper R mounts that are fast- Example 50 1.4 v/s RF 50 come to mind

This new technology could indeed freeze a lot out if its very pricy because the current DSLR's are excellent

That comment is sooooo spot on!! I would have purchased an A7r4 but Sony only provides an uncompressed/compresse​d RAW option. I spoke to the Sony rep and he said I can simply shoot Super 35 crop mode and get 24MP Raw files........he saw the tears coming out of my eyes as I laughed at him LOL!!!

It would be pleasant to see an mRaw Canon file.

https://www.msn.com …-and-features/ar-BB14eSpX

looks like end of may, early june release date, possibly $3500+ price point...

umphotography wrote in post #19000576
from what im reading, it might have a 1Dx2 sensor

How do you get real 8K video from that? You'd have to upsample about 140% or a little more for firmware video stabilization. 16:9 8K comes directly out of a 3:2-aspect frame of 39.25MP.

Wilt wrote in post #19001450
Jake,
In another thread, I listed some 'it depends' answers on the general topic of 'crop vs FF' (not realizing the reply was to a tongue-in-cheek post).

It the analysis, I computed that it takes a 50Mpixel 5DS to virtually EQUAL the pixel resolution (of its frame cropped to APS-C size) of a 7DII.
8868x5792 pixel 5DS full sensor reduced to 5430x3620 pixels within 15x22.5mm cropped frame, virtually equalling 7DII 5472x3648 pixels.

So with any lesser FF camera, one is suffering the handicap that there are fewer pixels on target, if the same lens is mounted on both bodies. So care to elaborate a bit more about the rationale of your logic?

If your lens has trouble with a TC in OVF mode phase-detect AF, it could work better with mirrorless or live-view. So, in that regard, a lens with a TC on a mirrorless with excellent high-f-number AF may work out, where that lens + TC would fail in DSLR OVF mode. Not as good as higher pixel density, but the next best thing, I suppose.

John Sheehy wrote in post #19065617
How do you get real 8K video from that? You'd have to upsample about 140% or a little more for firmware video stabilization. 16:9 8K comes directly out of a 3:2-aspect frame of 39.25MP.

You need to follow the thread/reply trail, Jake and Mike were talking about the R6, not the R5.

EOS R5 and EOS R6 to be officially announced on the 9th July.

Along with these lenses!!!

Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 IS STM
Canon RF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM
Canon RF 85mm f/2 Macro IS STM
Canon RF 100-500mm f/4-7.1L IS USM
Canon RF 600mm f/11 DO IS STM
Canon RF 800mm f/11 DO IS STM
Teleconverter RF 1.4x
Teleconverter RF 2x

R6 shipping in August, R5 in September apparently. Lenses Q4.

on the price thing, Canon is pretty proud of their stuff... and has not shied away from asking a premium for it. We shall see where it comes out. Is it an A9 competitor, or an A7 IV competitor...... but the pricing statement, you thinking its going to be a super high res version of the A9 at the same price. Well see. If it does 8K, it has the processing through put, but Canon has never been one to compete on price. They haven't done that in the past, but this isn't the past, so who knows.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19000546
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I could see Canon making this incredible camera, but only having a single card slot. . People would say they are idiots if they did that, but it would actually be an excellent, although devilish, business decision.

Why would they only give it one slot?

Well, if they did, a lot - and I mean A LOT - of people who really want or need dual slots would buy it anyway, because it would be so great in so many other aspects.

And then in a year and a half, Canon could release an almost identical camera, with almost identical specs, that has dual slots. . Then many people who already bought the single slot version would be "forced" to also buy the dual slot version. . Hence, peopel who only needed one body would buy two, and Canon could suck even more money out of its loyal customers than if they just released a dual slot body in the first place.

If I was a Canon stockholder, I would definitely be pushing for this type of customer manipulation. . Even though it pisses a lot of people off, Canon still gets more money out of us when they do these shameful business practices, and if you're a major corporation like Canon, it has to always be all about the money.

We all need to remember that Canon's job is not to make great cameras that their customers are really happy with. . Canon's job is to suck as much money out of us as possible. . They have proven that even when they refuse to meet our needs, many of us still buy their products. . They lose thousands of people to Sony, but still make profits by exploiting the thousands of customers who remain.

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Good way to run a business into the ground. Purposely leave off a simple item that all working pros are clamoring for. Because its a way to possibly sell another camera down the road

For Nikon or Sony, lol

Well considering the R5 has dual cards, I guess we don't have to worry about Canon losing to others in this regard.

I wouldn't take anything posted in January as fact, we didn't know much about the camera then, we know much more now.

since the R5 has dual slots, CFE and SD 2, but the R6 reportedly just has the dual SD2 cards, does that make it a poor choice for video? I was, perhaps falsely under the impression that video had to be stored on the CF type cards like in my 5DM4.

goalerjones wrote in post #19084684
since the R5 has dual slots, CFE and SD 2, but the R6 reportedly just has the dual SD2 cards, does that make it a poor choice for video? I was, perhaps falsely under the impression that video had to be stored on the CF type cards like in my 5DM4.

Just depends on the bandwidth required for the supported formats. The UHS-II standard can theoretically do over 300MB/s, with good real world cards managing over 200MB/s.

The 1Dx III 5.5K RAW data video rate is over 300MB/s, so that wouldn't be possible. However, even the 4K DCI at 60fps, ALL-I is "only" around 125MB/s.

Given it's likely the R6 will be more limited in its video mode support vs the R5 (i.e. I guess probably no 8K) it'll probably be OK.