Good Bye to 5D- EOS R5 on the way

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19009637
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Oh, now that is absolutely precious! . When something like that happens, isn't is super-special!

I hope you wait until he is in a public place with other avid photographers present, and then bring it up and force him to eat crow and have it be evident to all how very wrong he was!

Opportunities to show someone to be so very wrong in such a thorough way don't come along often. . I hope you're able to make the very most of it!

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He's rather special

Humans and hardware are not perfect. That is a reality!

There is a difference between mirrored and mirrorless. When I use my sony and when it FAILS I go into manual focus mode and use focus peaking to "attempt" to land the shot during an event. This is what happens I fully admit the weakness. I do find difficulty when some claim zero issues and then start to point at "me" the person behind the camera lacking knowledge in usage >>>>> If I used my 5dmk4 with Flash and utilizing the red focus assist (one shot AF-S mode) I almost NEVER get a sinking feeling of missing the shot. Bounced flash stop motion blur and I can crisp sharp images NEVER missing a shot due to sluggish slower AF shutter or AF hunt like mirrorless.

Now if I'm shooting no flash, available light all camera's can potentially have issues or difficulty if the light is low. If you use mirrorless with flash the AF-S and LED onboard camera can sorta work. Godox is pretty much the only external 3rd party flash capable of emitting a red focus beam. NOT reliable and the mirrorless camera can still hunt or be slow on the af "lock".

I know many that will NEVER admit this on public forums....they have to uphold a flawless reputation......gag...​....

Pros and cons between mirrored and mirrorless.

Wilt wrote in post #19009648
One simplistic way of looking at it is that

1. Canon does not simply offer a 4:1 zoom range 'long lens', but it now offers a 5:1 range zoom lens, putting the higher zoom ratio and the long side (rather than the short side (as it would be would 80-400mm 4:1 zoom range). Plus...
   
2. The FL increase in zoom range allows a photographer to have a 20% increase in max FL, while it is without the inconvenience of having to mount a Teleconvertor; and
   
3. without the inconvenience of a -1EV decrease in max aperture across the full range of FL while the 1.4X TC is mounted on 100-400mm EF lens.
   

Not defending it, simply pointing out the advantages of the recent new addition.

Wilt,

Your one of the most technical photographers I know

It would be very interesting to see what the cost will be for the 100-500. At 500mm the aperture will be f/7.1. So in reality that's 1/3 stop slower than the Sony 200-600 at 600mm at f/6.3.

Locally chatting with some of wildlife photogs they really are enjoying the current availability of the Sony 200-600mm. Great bang for the buck for OE native performance.

Canon will need to win the hearts of photogs in that world of wildlife photography. If they have that type of glass they may love to adapt mirrorless.

The more fresh wildlife shooters may be satisfied with a Sony system with 200-600mm for a long time. OR if a Nikon/Canon shooter is selling pre owned mint long telephoto primes this also opens up alternatives.

The 3rd party offering to RF mount are???? This is where Canon will need to develop relationships with 3rd party to get more glass out there quickly for RF mount. RF mount currently is cheap in the OE Canon flavour.

So many awesome choices these days.

AlanU wrote in post #19009662
Wilt,

Your one of the most technical photographers I know

It would be very interesting to see what the cost will be for the 100-500. At 500mm the aperture will be f/7.1. So in reality that's 1/3 stop slower than the Sony 200-600 at 600mm at f/6.3.

Locally chatting with some of wildlife photogs they really are enjoying the current availability of the Sony 200-600mm. Great bang for the buck for OE native performance.

Canon will need to win the hearts of photogs in that world of wildlife photography. If they have that type of glass they may love to adapt mirrorless.

The more fresh wildlife shooters may be satisfied with a Sony system with 200-600mm for a long time. OR if a Nikon/Canon shooter is selling pre owned mint long telephoto primes this also opens up alternatives.

The 3rd party offering to RF mount are???? This is where Canon will need to develop relationships with 3rd party to get more glass out there quickly for RF mount. RF mount currently is cheap in the OE Canon flavour.

So many awesome choices these days.

well for the avid wildlife, I see two issues with Canon RF for wildlife.

1. Potential jerky EVF
2. 500 f7.1 is a lot inferior to 600 f6.3. A third stop isnt much, but combined with 100mm, it's worth noting.

Canon is behind the curve, and they have to cater to a lot of folks, and they are at a very good pace of releasing lenses. Nikon is even further behind Canon! It took Sony a VERY long time to get their big glass out but they did solve items 1 and 2.

SYS wrote in post #19009599
Okay, I'm a newbie when it comes to mirrorless cameras as I've always owned DSLR camera bodies post-film years up to now. My current DSLR is Canon 5D IV. This new EOS R5, however, has me intrigued. Setting aside its 8K video capabilities, which type of photographers does it really benefit and enhance? Or, does it benefit and enhance the "generalist" photographers the most?

From what I am reading, it really is the 5D Mark 5
ie: it has everything the 5D series has been offering us, and like it's predecessors, this newest one is offering several sizeable improvements over the last version. IMHO the 5D series has been equipped with the biggest incremental improvements in features/specs with each newer version of any Canon model. Higher MP, faster frame rates, you name it, it's better than the last model.
IBIS!!!!!

As many have mentioned, the only trick is whether Canon have magically managed to up the AF anti of their mirrorless enough that this can actually compete in that area with the 5D4. Remember, just a few short months again, the 5D4 was Canon's second best @ AF ever.

Canon announced the specs, haven't you been following along?

The only speculation is about low light AF, but it isn't a stretch as the Eos r isn't too bad by itself but the R5 will be better. All other specs are direct from Canon.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19009733
Canon announced the specs, haven't you been following along?

The only speculation is about low light AF, but it isn't a stretch as the Eos r isn't too bad by itself but the R5 will be better. All other specs are direct from Canon.

What's interesting about camera gear ownership is that you must learn it's limits.

When you practice and test gear in a controlled environment you only get a taste of the performance.

I do not use my Sony gear for hired events (in most cases). Just recently I pushed my self and used my Sony A73 as a secondary body. In the moment of run and gun the reality will sink in. Face detect is often touted and raved about. Using eye AF with a customized button targeting a subject in a wild and crazy event is not bullet proof .

With my Canon 5dmk4 I focus and recompose during events. My "sharpness on subject" keeper rate is almost perfect. This is using "one shot" single focus with red focus assist from flash. If I tried using AF-S with my Sony A73 the results would be utter garbage!!! AF-C is the way to go with Sony but no red focus assist using AF-C. The AF-C in extremely low light with or without flash during a fast paced event, I still do not feel comfortable with my Sony A73. The 5dmk4 with bounced flash, one shot , using red focus assist the AF speed does NOT slow down.

I still speculate the mirrorless is still quite good for many occasions but current tech it will never be as confident as mirrored bodies with red focus assist.

Most recent situation I was in was to document a surprise 50th bday. The person walked in an extremely low lit supper club/restaurant and the 5dmk4 with red focus assist beam landed every single shot in AF-S/Oneshot with no motion blur. It documented every facial expression perfectly. Just experimenting my A73 with 85 f/1.8 just before the the Bday person entered I tested my Sony and it was not "perfect"!!!! If I had to do any reception work in typical situations in a restaurant the Mirrorless would work relatively well.

IF I tested my Canon 5dmk4 without flash that situation also would have had epic failure. The room is so dark that AF cannot lock quickly and even the Canon 5dmk4 would struggle horribly.

Only real solution some "pro's" use is video light to help the mirrorless AF lock.....what the???? That is not cool IMO. This is where a mirrored body would have zero concerns in doing the job.

As I mentioned .....I'll really consider a dual memory card Canon FF mirrorless but definitely NOT for pro events work.

AlanU wrote in post #19009631
I know a local photog raving about having an EOS R replacing his 5dmk4. Talking boldly how its a fantastic camera for his events work. He was talking incredibly large how its phenomenal. He quietly sold it all and RF glass. Hmmmm why??? Back to his 1dxmk2 and 5dmk4.

Is he a friend of yours? If so, you should ask.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #19009733
Canon announced the specs, haven't you been following along?

The only speculation is about low light AF, but it isn't a stretch as the Eos r isn't too bad by itself but the R5 will be better. All other specs are direct from Canon.

They didn't announce the MP, and lots of other stuff.

Trey T wrote in post #19010208
Is he a friend of yours? If so, you should ask.

His tool kit is no concern to me.

If I ask, his ego will not disclose his issues or concerns as this shows weakness or that he provided sub par service to his past clients. Oh the drama and arrogance ...... I like to stay clear with this acquaintance.

Previous discussion implied it was not totally on par with the 1 dxmk2 or 5d4 for events. But still a good replacement.... then he sold it all and went back to 5 dmk4.

In my reality my mirrorless still is not on par with my canon mirrored bodies with red focus assist beam for events.

I bet in general the EOS R 5 will be a good performer for canon mirrorless FF world but still many steps behind the much more mature Sony system.

Yes they did, in a roundabout slightly vague way. In order to do 8k, the minimum resolution would be 7680 x 4320 but I suspect it will more than this and then cropped to this resolution, perhaps 8000+ on the long end like on the cinema camera. At the very minimum, it will have the 5ds low resolution of 7680 x 5120.

What else did they not mention?

AlanU wrote in post #19010909
His tool kit is no concern to me.

If I ask, his ego will not disclose his issues or concerns as this shows weakness or that he provided sub par service to his past clients. Oh the drama and arrogance ...... I like to stay clear with this acquaintance ...

Wow. Your feelings for this guy run deep. Did you find his number on your wife's mobile or something?

Price mistake or inadvertent leak? 9999 euro
https://www.photo-mirgain.lu …os-r/canon-eos-r5-boitier

I'm guessing a placeholder price, but if the specs hold up, who knows

Charlie wrote in post #19010985
Price mistake or inadvertent leak? 9999 euro
https://www.photo-mirgain.lu …os-r/canon-eos-r5-boitier

I'm guessing a placeholder price, but if the specs hold up, who knows

I'm sure Canon wants to sell more than two R5s, so that's certainly not the actual price.

AlanU wrote in post #19010909
His tool kit is no concern to me.

If I ask, his ego will not disclose his issues or concerns as this shows weakness or that he provided sub par service to his past clients. Oh the drama and arrogance ...... I like to stay clear with this acquaintance.

Previous discussion implied it was not totally on par with the 1 dxmk2 or 5d4 for events. But still a good replacement.... then he sold it all and went back to 5 dmk4.

In my reality my mirrorless still is not on par with my canon mirrored bodies with red focus assist beam for events.

I bet in general the EOS R 5 will be a good performer for canon mirrorless FF world but still many steps behind the much more mature Sony system.

bro... go hug and make up ... lol

Coimbra wrote in post #19010990
I'm sure Canon wants to sell more than two R5s, so that's certainly not the actual price.

I'd sure get a "Photo-Migraine" if the price of the body was $10,000