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Feb 23, 2020 19:56 |  #316

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So yesterday I took it birding with both SIGMA 150-600mm C and 100-400mm MkII
I was on the beach, and all there was to shoot were big gulls in flight, and Swans floating about.

I started with the Sigma, and all around, it was good, but didn't seem overly superior to the same lens when mounted on the 1DX2.
I used it using my standard go to, single AF point with expansion, as well as ALL af points in Itr.

With single AF point, with or without expansion, I have to admit that the 1DXIII did not blow my socks off. It behaved much like it's older brother, the 1DXII, or the 5D4. If I was slightly off at initial AF press, it went to the background, just like any other camera,. if I moved to far off when tracking for the "expansion" points to keep things in focus, it would lose it there too,. just like the 5D4 or 7D2.

BUT!
Now that I've figured out the full ITR in Optical Viewfinder settings, I have to say it is remarkable!
With the correct light, IF I get the initial lock on the subject I want,. it just sticks like glue! Now the camera's built in tracking will truly help cover up my own mistakes, and keep a fast moving subject locked even as it drifts far outside the center of the AF grid.

Canon's higher end bodies have boasted AF tracking going back to the 45 point system in the EOS3,. but regardless of which version, the old film version, the 1D, the 1D3 or 1D4,. and everything in between and later including 7D2, 5D4,. I've never felt that all AF points and AI Servo tracking was the best choice in most situations. Too often it would grab something else, switch to a branch in the way, or something brighter and shinier like reflections off the water. For this reason, its sort of been a failure of a feature, it CAN help, but most often it doesn't live up to expectations.

This is simply not so any more with the 1DXIII. This subject tracking feature REALLY Works!

I'd get a Gull dipping under water for a clam, track it with the clam as it flew all the way up,. get a few frames on the hover as it dropped the clam, and track it the whole way down to pick it up. Not lightning fast work,. and certainly big white birds, but my results were still without question the best I've ever accomplished with that same subject matter.

Towards the end of my afternoon, a lone grebe appeared far to my right low and super fast, compared to the gulls leisurely pace, this Grebe was cooking. This kind of shot is hard to get, as down low, it's all brightly reflecting water in the background (the sub was to my back and right) Most often with a sudden burst like this, I'll be lucky to get it in focus in the beginning,. let alone keep it tracking. The 1DXIII got it and tracked it the whole time it went by! I can only regret that I had it on "medium" burst more,. (maybe 8FPS?) because the wingbeats of the Grebe were so fast that they timed exactly with the FPS,. ie: every single shot has the wings in the exact same position! Suddenly the idea of 16FPS is not so ludicrous!

I tried mounting the EF 1.4X MKIII in OVF, and no joy. Hunting stuttering mess. I did not try live view as it was really bright out and I did not have my hoodman yet (arrived today!)

I then went to the 100-400mm with 1.4X mounted, and as I said earlier, on the 1DXIII with 1.4X that lens performed as well as I have experienced with it bare on any other body I've shot with it, likely better.


So I hope this does not sound Dumb as I dont know anything about the 1Dx3 yet and Im a little confused on some of the terminology

You said
"Now that I've figured out the full ITR in Optical Viewfinder settings"....I have researched this system and its a tad confusing as to how it works

are you looking through camera viewfinder- ( face in back of camera to track)... you can put the box on subject and just track and click

or are you doing in in live view by watching from back of camera

Im hoping some of this will pass to the R5....but if it doesnt then the 1Dx3 is the obvious answer for me


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Feb 23, 2020 20:07 |  #317

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The other potential solution is to also put back button focus on the * button. Then you can use the smart controller just to move the point. I have AF set to both the smart controller and the * button. That way if you want to activate AF and not move the point you can just slide your finger over to that button.


That is exactly what I did......and it works well.




  
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Feb 23, 2020 20:16 |  #318

Was doing some tests in the backyard with 1DX vs. 7DII with 2x and 1.4x extenders at high ISO.
Seems like the 1DX + 2XII at 6400 is as good or better than 7DII at 3200 and 1.4III.

7DII + 2X gets you more pixels on the subject, but just looks blurry/not really that sharp at all and doesn't even seem worth it really.
Also the 7D with 2X focuses so much slower/worse than the 1DX does with either extender. In OVF or Live View.

I should have shot manual since the exposure is a little off/lighting could have changed a little too. So not exactly 1:1, but i think still shows a difference.
No NR done or extra post processing/sharpening applied. Both zoomed into 100%.

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Feb 23, 2020 20:17 |  #320

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Enough playing with the 400mm DO II, back to normal now with the f.8 lens :-D Back to my normal 800mm setup.

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This combo is awsome.
I realise that the lens combo is EF400mm f/2.8L IS III USM +2x III......do you think this will work with the version 2 lens (EF400mm f/2.8L IS II USM +2x III)?

I have an opportunity to get a used EF400mm f/2.8L IS II lens.

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Feb 23, 2020 20:35 |  #321

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So I hope this does not sound Dumb as I dont know anything about the 1Dx3 yet and Im a little confused on some of the terminology

You said
"Now that I've figured out the full ITR in Optical Viewfinder settings"....I have researched this system and its a tad confusing as to how it works

are you looking through camera viewfinder- ( face in back of camera to track)... you can put the box on subject and just track and click

or are you doing in in live view by watching from back of camera

Im hoping some of this will pass to the R5....but if it doesnt then the 1Dx3 is the obvious answer for me


For birding, I am indeed talking about using the optical view finder.
I turn on the whole face detect thing,. and use all AF points, with the center (or any selected af point) as the start point. If I can get the AF point on the bird in the beginning, the camera is able to track the subject across all the AF points like no previous Canon I have used.


The best way to explain how it works, what it looks like, is using Canon's original video. Go to 35 seconds and watch how the SLR optical viewfinder tracking works on those basketball players. It does this very nicely with BIRDS too!. When we all saw that video the day of the official announcement, I remember watching this exact sequence thinking "yeah right".
Then we saw other reviewing it, showing it do this in live view, but there is no way to record video of it in SLR mode,. so this promo from Canon is the only way to see it right now short of having a 1DXIII in your hands;

35 seconds in tracking B-Ball players, and 50 seconds in volleyball;


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Feb 23, 2020 21:19 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #322

Thanks Jake very much. It looks like it pu subject closest to AF point and stays locked


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Feb 23, 2020 22:01 |  #323

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Thanks Jake very much. It looks like it pu subject closest to AF point and stays locked


It will do that IF you didn't get the starting AF point on anything, but if I put the starting AF point on something other than the closest one, it will track that instead. (notice in the volleyball scene, she's NOT the one closest.)
This is thankfully not at all like Zone focusing which always goes for the closest. You get to put the AF point on something, and it's like the camera's Digic-x brain remembers what that thing looks like and tries to follow it.


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Feb 23, 2020 22:31 |  #324

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It will do that IF you didn't get the starting AF point on anything, but if I put the starting AF point on something other than the closest one, it will track that instead. (notice in the volleyball scene, she's NOT the one closest.)
This is thankfully not at all like Zone focusing which always goes for the closest. You get to put the AF point on something, and it's like the camera's Digic-x brain remembers what that thing looks like and tries to follow it.

I shot some hockey tonight and I have to say the autofocus system is absolutely the best I have ever used. I really played with the auto focusing feature mostly through the viewfinder tonight but this camera just doesn’t miss. You can literally rely on the full large zone and let the camera auto track from whatever point you select. Absolutely incredible. I just took a quick look through the photos and I don’t even see one where I missed focus. I shot the whole night with the 70 - 200 F2.8 IS II. I shot everything at f2.8. Canon definitely gets an A+ for this one. You just don’t want to put it down it’s really that good.


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Feb 23, 2020 22:38 |  #325

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It will do that IF you didn't get the starting AF point on anything, but if I put the starting AF point on something other than the closest one, it will track that instead. (notice in the volleyball scene, she's NOT the one closest.)
This is thankfully not at all like Zone focusing which always goes for the closest. You get to put the AF point on something, and it's like the camera's Digic-x brain remembers what that thing looks like and tries to follow it.



Imagine how cool thats gonna be for dance floor shots with a bride at F/2.0  :p

darn impressive technology

and I got to think some of this new facial technology is going to hit the R5

hopeful


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Feb 23, 2020 23:04 |  #326

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With single AF point, with or without expansion, I have to admit that the 1DXIII did not blow my socks off. It behaved much like it's older brother, the 1DXII, or the 5D4. If I was slightly off at initial AF press, it went to the background, just like any other camera,. if I moved to far off when tracking for the "expansion" points to keep things in focus, it would lose it there too,. just like the 5D4 or 7D2.


This is simply not so any more with the 1DXIII. This subject tracking feature REALLY Works!


Jake I think you have nailed it down for 1Dx2 owners who might consider a switch
The subject tracking feature is an auto mode just like Sonys Eye focus system- Its a great tool on a camera to have

However....After everything I have read and seen it all boils down to this

A- the new advances canon has achieved with the new face detect systems- its really great
B- the complete silent shooting features,
C-slight sensor improvement with ISO ( about 1/2 stop)
D- and from what I can see with Bobs ( explorer of light shooter from canon) straight off capture files --there really is not that much more in detail captured with this 1Dx3 sensor. I believe Robamys pictures, which are excellent, show more about his post processing skills v/s a difference in what a 1Dx2 and 1Dx3 sensor captures.....I dont see a big improvement here on the sensor based on what I saw from bobs straight off captures. I would really need to compare files side by side but I believe this will hold true


Everybody is blown away with the new face detect technology in this camera. Its really the first time many canon users have had a chance to use this kind of technology and they are blown away......Welcome to the Sony A9 :p

For me canons new face detect is now on par with Sonys eye focus systems and now canon users have some great technology at their disposal

I have no choice. I got to wait on the R5 and I need to have canon send me a 1Dx3 to play with

If the R5 gets the new face detect technology...i think it might be a hard jump from a 1Dx2 once the dust settles and everyone gets a chance to sit back and evaluate

Face detect technology is here for Canon- lets hope other bodies have it

I predict Canons R5 and 1Dx3 will be much like Sonys A7iii and A9

For the record- from what I have seen.......1Dx3 is superior to the A9....but man so much more $$$


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Feb 23, 2020 23:12 |  #327

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I shot some hockey tonight and I have to say the autofocus system is absolutely the best I have ever used. I really played with the auto focusing feature mostly through the viewfinder tonight but this camera just doesn’t miss. You can literally rely on the full large zone and let the camera auto track from whatever point you select. Absolutely incredible. I just took a quick look through the photos and I don’t even see one where I missed focus. I shot the whole night with the 70 - 200 F2.8 IS II. I shot everything at f2.8. Canon definitely gets an A+ for this one. You just don’t want to put it down it’s really that good.

For me, this is it. My 7D2 was terrible at autofocus. The 1DX2 fixed those issues but still missed a lot of shots. I am so excited about the 1DX3. I hope B&H ships my order quickly.

FYI, I was considering waiting for the R5. My wife said I was crazy. She said there's no way I should consider using a 1st generation mirrorless as a primary camera over a 3rd generation 1DX. She's right. The 1DX3 will be a great addition to my tools.


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Feb 23, 2020 23:48 |  #328

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For me, this is it. My 7D2 was terrible at autofocus. The 1DX2 fixed those issues but still missed a lot of shots. I am so excited about the 1DX3. I hope B&H ships my order quickly.

FYI, I was considering waiting for the R5. My wife said I was crazy. She said there's no way I should consider using a 1st generation mirrorless as a primary camera over a 3rd generation 1DX. She's right. The 1DX3 will be a great addition to my tools.

You won't regret the move. I can guarantee it. :D


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For me, this is it. My 7D2 was terrible at autofocus. The 1DX2 fixed those issues but still missed a lot of shots. I am so excited about the 1DX3. I hope B&H ships my order quickly.

FYI, I was considering waiting for the R5. My wife said I was crazy. She said there's no way I should consider using a 1st generation mirrorless as a primary camera over a 3rd generation 1DX. She's right. The 1DX3 will be a great addition to my tools.

Absolutely correct I have no doubts the R5 will be a nice camera but it will never be a 1DXiii!
The other part of the equation that makes the 1DX mark iii so great is the speed and processing power of the camera, and it’s ability to focus so quickly while taking so many frames per second while accurately focusing between each frame basically all by itself. The unlimited buffer and it’s ability to quickly and accurately drive the big white lenses plus TCs won’t be matched by the R5. I am sure the AF will not match the 1DX.


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Feb 24, 2020 02:21 as a reply to  @ LJ3Jim's post |  #330

Never mind the camera, it's seems like you've chosen the right wife!!




  
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