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Feb 09, 2020 22:19 as a reply to  @ post 19006813 |  #16

I think the technology coming at us via MILCs is going to be amazing and the way of the future, but with my massive investment in DSLRs and EF lenses, and at my age (67), I can't see me moving to the EOS R series. I don't shoot professionally any more so the pressure is off me but if I was much earlier on in my career cycle the whole thing would be different.


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Feb 10, 2020 06:36 |  #17

I am afraid there will not be a 7D3 as a DSLR; there may be some sort of EOS R7 as a successor.

Having gone from 40D to 7D to 7D2, owning an 80D, and seriously evaluating a 90D, IMO the 90D is NOT a 7D2 successor. It has the 80D's AF system with SPOT AF added, and the sensor has the 80D's noise characteristics on a per pixel level, and not the noise characteristics of the 7D2 on a per pixel level. Further it has a body that is a bit smaller than the 80D's (and less substantial feeling) and much less substantial feeling in your hands than the 7D2. The controls are also more like the 80D and not like the 7D2 which are very similar to the 5D4.

We can hope there is a Canon MILC replacement for the 7D2 but I am not getting my hopes up; many seem to think the real solution is to use a 75+MP FF sensor and crop away 9/10's of the image to get back to an equivalent FOV. Let us hope we do not have to resort to that, or purchasing a $10K+ lens to get an equivalent FOV.


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Feb 10, 2020 11:58 |  #18

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I am afraid there will not be a 7D3 as a DSLR; there may be some sort of EOS R7 as a successor.

Having gone from 40D to 7D to 7D2, owning an 80D, and seriously evaluating a 90D, IMO the 90D is NOT a 7D2 successor. It has the 80D's AF system with SPOT AF added, and the sensor has the 80D's noise characteristics on a per pixel level, and not the noise characteristics of the 7D2 on a per pixel level. Further it has a body that is a bit smaller than the 80D's (and less substantial feeling) and much less substantial feeling in your hands than the 7D2. The controls are also more like the 80D and not like the 7D2 which are very similar to the 5D4.

We can hope there is a Canon MILC replacement for the 7D2 but I am not getting my hopes up; many seem to think the real solution is to use a 75+MP FF sensor and crop away 9/10's of the image to get back to an equivalent FOV. Let us hope we do not have to resort to that, or purchasing a $10K+ lens to get an equivalent FOV.

We are all sitting on our hands waiting for the replacement for the 7DII,:rolleyes: and certainly I suspect that will be a MILC of some kind.

It may be that a FF MILC will have the ability to reduce its area to that of an APS-C (such as some Nikon models do), thus giving the FoV you are referring to. Certainly the MP rating is climbing significantly, if one is to believe the projections for the high-end R bodies to come out around 75MP, and cropping the FF image to about 62.5% could, in such cases be possible (75x0.625=47MP, which is not too bad).

That said, I would not expect your wish list of size, weight and control layout to be likely to survive a migration to mirrorless. MILCs are inherently smaller, and that leaves less room for controls. The balance with a big lens will be a lot different too: I use all my bodies with a battery grip as much for balance as anything else, but I have yet to see a Canon MILC battery grip, even though that would be advantageous for energy-hungry full-time sensors.


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Feb 10, 2020 12:09 |  #19

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It may be that a FF MILC will have the ability to reduce its area to that of an APS-C (such as some Nikon models do), thus giving the FoV you are referring to. Certainly the MP rating is climbing significantly, if one is to believe the projections for the high-end R bodies to come out around 75MP, and cropping the FF image to about 62.5% could, in such cases be possible (75x0.625=47MP, which is not too bad).

If you crop each dimension by 0.62, you do not end up with 47MP,
For example, starting with the 50MP 5DS (8688x5792), in crop format it becomes 5386x3591 or 19.3MP


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Feb 10, 2020 12:12 |  #20

Tronhard wrote in post #19006816 (external link)
I think the technology coming at us via MILCs is going to be amazing and the way of the future, but with my massive investment in DSLRs and EF lenses, and at my age (67), I can't see me moving to the EOS R series. I don't shoot professionally any more so the pressure is off me but if I was much earlier on in my career cycle the whole thing would be different.

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especially with the prices of new R lenses, $2300-$3000, with only one or two less than that!
Yes, EF can be used on R bodies, but spending $1800 on even the current (lower end of the lineup) R mount bodies is prohibitively hard to afford when there is no income generated by the expense. I have not spent more than $1000 on a body since the 20D first came out!


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Feb 10, 2020 12:52 |  #21

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Tronhard wrote in post #19007124 (external link)
It may be that a FF MILC will have the ability to reduce its area to that of an APS-C (such as some Nikon models do), thus giving the FoV you are referring to. Certainly the MP rating is climbing significantly, if one is to believe the projections for the high-end R bodies to come out around 75MP, and cropping the FF image to about 62.5% could, in such cases be possible (75x0.625=47MP, which is not too bad).

If you crop each dimension by 0.62, you do not end up with 47MP,
For example, starting with the 50MP 5DS (8688x5792), in crop format it becomes 5386x3591 or 19.3MP

You are correct - sorry, just woke up after a very broken night!:oops:

My mind was wandering over crop factors and stuck in that mode...


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Feb 10, 2020 12:58 |  #22

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especially with the prices of new R lenses, $2300-$3000, with only one or two less than that!
Yes, EF can be used on R bodies, but spending $1800 on even the current (lower end of the lineup) R mount bodies is prohibitively hard to afford when there is no income generated by the expense. I have not spent more than $1000 on a body since the 20D first came out!

I think we are in much the same boat. I do not see myself moving to Canon R-series bodies and lenses to match, even if they are outstanding technically. I don't make money at this any more so my concept of RoI has changed dramatically. I shall stick to my current range of gear and let those who have a long journey ahead of them go along the FF MILC path.

As to the 7DIII, if it doesn't eventuate, I shall shoot with my current gear and be happy. I don't feel particularly constrained by my gear - I got good shots with them before and I shall do so again. I have the 90D (likely the last of its line too) and if I want a high MP count I have both the 5D IV and 5DS R to play with. They do all that I need, and likely more.

I am having more fun using really old (well almost 20 Y.O.) camera gear to try to get decent shots. I like to prove to myself that tech does not rule my life! (still working on that...  :p)


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Feb 10, 2020 13:14 |  #23

Maybe just a change of offering for the body.

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Feb 25, 2020 14:18 as a reply to  @ John from PA's post |  #24

Now it appears that Canon Rumors is suggesting a 7DIII later this year!??

I would be interested but will just use what I have for the time being and be happy!


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Feb 26, 2020 04:43 |  #25

A 7DIII sounds promising.
The 90D 32MP APS-C sensor is very good.
The AF system I have found to be quite ordinary.


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Feb 26, 2020 05:13 |  #26

Tronhard wrote in post #19016286 (external link)
Now it appears that Canon Rumors is suggesting a 7DIII later this year!??

I would be interested but will just use what I have for the time being and be happy!

I can't find any recent rumor of the 7d3. I am quite sure there will indeed be no 7d3. I would be happy to be wrong.


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Feb 26, 2020 18:34 |  #27

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I can't find any recent rumor of the 7d3. I am quite sure there will indeed be no 7d3. I would be happy to be wrong.

I would expect that IF a 7D3 comes along, so would a 5D5.

However, there seems no reason to outwardly expect this to come into being,
unless there's new impetus for Canon to continue development of the 5D.
Most indicators seem to favor 1D development in their DSLR stable,
with entry-level DSLR manufacturing continuing for a while as Canon
furthers development of their MILC lineup.
The 5D and 7D are, admittedly, not of Canon's top-tier offerings
for demanding professionals, in their stance.

At the same time, there's still production of EF & EF-S lenses going on,
which has been stated as continuing, so this may only be to fulfill
current market and production of cameras while the transition to
mirrorless continues.

Ultimately, only time will tell.
We can speculate and look into past history all we want,
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Feb 26, 2020 20:26 as a reply to  @ SkedAddled's post |  #28

Hasn't been an EF or EFS lens released since the EOS r release... what I remember anyways.

In any case I am only commenting about the fact that John posted a year and a half old rumor article and others may not notice that.


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