Canon Announces Development of the EOS R5

Isn't Canon suppose to be rolling out a camera with a global shutter? THere have been rumors for quite some time now. Seems like the R5 would be a good candidate to roll it out on.

Well, I do have some possible bad news for any birders thinking of an R5.

I have been testing out the 1DXIII on some easy targets (gulls, geese etc.) on weekends when i can,. and in a side by side test optical viewfinder vs. live-view with hoodman loop,. the optical viewfinder absolutely dominated.
This is in stark contrast to shooting active human beings in a dark theatre, where to my eyes, it's at least a wash, maybe advantage live view for tracking people.

If the r% has essentially the 1DXIII Live view,. it will be a magnificent camera for many things, but I don't think it will be great for birds in flight.

Caveats;
- Perhaps a real EVF solves the issue I was having using rear screen and Hoodman loupe?
- The biggest issue was initial lock.
- The next biggest issue was "hunting speed". In live view when the AF is far off, the "hunt" sequence is so much slower than when it's in OVF, it's hard to imagine it's the same camera.

It's possible all of the above will be better in the R5 with EVF and tuned to live view only of a mirrorless,. but it does have me a bit concerned. we KNOW it can be done, as the a9 can do it.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19025889
Well, I do have some possible bad news for any birders thinking of an R5.

I have been testing out the 1DXIII on some easy targets (gulls, geese etc.) on weekends when i can,. and in a side by side test optical viewfinder vs. live-view with hoodman loop,. the optical viewfinder absolutely dominated.
This is in stark contrast to shooting active human beings in a dark theatre, where to my eyes, it's at least a wash, maybe advantage live view for tracking people.

If the r% has essentially the 1DXIII Live view,. it will be a magnificent camera for many things, but I don't think it will be great for birds in flight.

Caveats;
- Perhaps a real EVF solves the issue I was having using rear screen and Hoodman loupe?
- The biggest issue was initial lock.
- The next biggest issue was "hunting speed". In live view when the AF is far off, the "hunt" sequence is so much slower than when it's in OVF, it's hard to imagine it's the same camera.

It's possible all of the above will be better in the R5 with EVF and tuned to live view only of a mirrorless,. but it does have me a bit concerned. we KNOW it can be done, as the a9 can do it.

I suspect the R5 will only be as good as the 1DXIII's Live View, with perfection coming in the R1 in 3-4 years. I doubt the last few months would have resulted in better results in the R5 than could have been put into the flagship.

Jake- you comment

"If the r% has essentially the 1DXIII Live view,. it will be a magnificent camera for many things, but I don't think it will be great for birds in flight"

Do you really think thats going to be an issue ??

I dont know many people that will want to use live view for BIF...everyone knows it works on the 1Dx3....but it looks to me that you cant control number of captures. you get 30-40 shots and you have to cull like mad.....I think most people will opt for OVF where they can control Number of bursts

honestly, for me, as accurate is live view appears to be on the 1Dx3.....i would much prefer OVF because its how I how and track

maybe im all wrong here in thinking

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19025889
Well, I do have some possible bad news for any birders thinking of an R5.

I have been testing out the 1DXIII on some easy targets (gulls, geese etc.) on weekends when i can,. and in a side by side test optical viewfinder vs. live-view with hoodman loop,. the optical viewfinder absolutely dominated.
This is in stark contrast to shooting active human beings in a dark theatre, where to my eyes, it's at least a wash, maybe advantage live view for tracking people.

If the r% has essentially the 1DXIII Live view,. it will be a magnificent camera for many things, but I don't think it will be great for birds in flight.

Caveats;
- Perhaps a real EVF solves the issue I was having using rear screen and Hoodman loupe?
- The biggest issue was initial lock.
- The next biggest issue was "hunting speed". In live view when the AF is far off, the "hunt" sequence is so much slower than when it's in OVF, it's hard to imagine it's the same camera.

It's possible all of the above will be better in the R5 with EVF and tuned to live view only of a mirrorless,. but it does have me a bit concerned. we KNOW it can be done, as the a9 can do it.

a couple things, first if the EVF is junk then that may be a deal breaker.

on the Live View that you were doing with a hoodman (I Have one) how do you focus on a BIF against a cluttered background? I have always had to touch the screen to lock focus OR if I have the hoodman attached do I just hit the BBF like with the OVF and put the square(s) on the bird?

umphotography wrote in post #19025893
Jake- you comment

"If the R5 has essentially the 1DXIII Live view (functionality, my addition),. it will be a magnificent camera for many things, but I don't think it will be great for birds in flight"

Do you really think thats going to be an issue ??

I dont know many people that will want to use live view for BIF...everyone knows it works on the 1Dx3

Since the R5 doesn't have any optical viewfinder, you have to use the electronic one. Which, apart from being easier to look at than the live view screen of a camera like the 1DX Mark III, will have the same functionality as that said camera. Or could have, since the basic technology is the same. It's just the wrapping of the display you are looking at that's different.

apersson850 wrote in post #19025932
Since the R5 doesn't have any optical viewfinder, you have to use the electronic one. Which, apart from being easier to look at than the live view screen of a camera like the 1DX Mark III, will have the same functionality as that said camera. Or could have, since the basic technology is the same. It's just the wrapping of the display you are looking at that's different.

While I suspect it's technologically impossible or at least way too difficult to be economically feasible, wouldn't it be interesting if a high-end camera like the R5 offered the option of choosing an EVF or an optical view finder and the ability to toggle between the two?

Hopefully the EVF will be so good we will want to forget all about OVFs.

f8andBeThere wrote in post #19025944
While I suspect it's technologically impossible or at least way too difficult to be economically feasible, wouldn't it be interesting if a high-end camera like the R5 offered the option of choosing an EVF or an optical view finder and the ability to toggle between the two?

Hopefully the EVF will be so good we will want to forget all about OVFs.

Unfortunately when you get back into optical VFs, the whole mirrorless thing goes away. To get an optical image, you need a mirror to divert the light from it's path to the sensor and to the viewfinder.

gjl711 wrote in post #19025865
Form this I wonder what the advantage is of still having a mechanical shutter. It seems that the tech has advanced enough so that the shutter can be eliminated thus delivering a truly quiet camera.

The mechanical shutter has been a requirement for the use of electronic flash. The Sony A9 cannot trigger electronic flash in electronic shutter mode, flash users have to switch the A9 to mechanical shutter mode.

gjl711 wrote in post #19025948
Unfortunately when you get back into optical VFs, the whole mirrorless thing goes away. To get an optical image, you need a mirror to divert the light from it's path to the sensor and to the viewfinder.

Good point, thanks. I was just thinking out loud, but not all that clearly.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #19025889
Well, I do have some possible bad news for any birders thinking of an R5.

I have been testing out the 1DXIII on some easy targets (gulls, geese etc.) on weekends when i can,. and in a side by side test optical viewfinder vs. live-view with hoodman loop,. the optical viewfinder absolutely dominated.
This is in stark contrast to shooting active human beings in a dark theatre, where to my eyes, it's at least a wash, maybe advantage live view for tracking people.

If the r% has essentially the 1DXIII Live view,. it will be a magnificent camera for many things, but I don't think it will be great for birds in flight.

Caveats;
- Perhaps a real EVF solves the issue I was having using rear screen and Hoodman loupe?
- The biggest issue was initial lock.
- The next biggest issue was "hunting speed". In live view when the AF is far off, the "hunt" sequence is so much slower than when it's in OVF, it's hard to imagine it's the same camera.

It's possible all of the above will be better in the R5 with EVF and tuned to live view only of a mirrorless,. but it does have me a bit concerned. we KNOW it can be done, as the a9 can do it.

Don't forget, Jake, that the Live View screen on your 1DXIII is most likely refreshed at 60 fps...and hopefully the EVF on the R5 will be refreshed at 120 fps (like the A9)

This is cool!

https://petapixel.com …to-shut-down-speculation/

apersson850 wrote in post #19025932
Since the R5 doesn't have any optical viewfinder, you have to use the electronic one. Which, apart from being easier to look at than the live view screen of a camera like the 1DX Mark III, will have the same functionality as that said camera. Or could have, since the basic technology is the same. It's just the wrapping of the display you are looking at that's different.

No Optical viewfinder

what is that funny piece of glass with the rubber ring around it that is just above the Flip screen?

what am I missing on the R5 ??

umphotography wrote in post #19026021
No Optical viewfinder

what is that funny piece of glass with the rubber ring around it that is just above the Flip screen?

what am I missing on the R5 ??

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I assumed that was the EVF?

sapearl wrote in post #19026029
I assumed that was the EVF?

Guess i need to use mirrorless technology more. whats confusing me is OVF v/s EVF because I look through a OVF with my DSLR's

here of jared explanations

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=JLV-v4sESBI