Canon Announces Development of the EOS R5

Bianchi wrote in post #19052473
Anyone hoping for no Blackout to go along with high Mpix and FPS

So after now confirming what I thought no blackout is, I stand by my wishes.

5R no blackout, high frame rate, and high mpix !!!

Bianchi wrote in post #19053208
So after now confirming what I thought no blackout is, I stand by my wishes.

5R no blackout, high frame rate, and high mpix !!!

Well, after viewing Charlie's video, I don't think the R5 is going to give us that or Canon would be making a big deal of its stacked sensor. That might come with the R1, however.

And I would be happy if the R5 just gives us the kind of blackout we've always experienced with SLRs.

Looks like they answered the Image stabilization questions. It works in conjunction with existing IS lens....so its going to add 5 stops IBIS in addition to what you already have. Version 2 lens should be killer on this body

Conjunction
the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.

It is also looking like this is really a big big video upgrade camera. Lots of good things for still photographers. But video guys will love it

here is the video
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=H-1rJGHgpqM

They are talking super high end technology for a video camera and a stills camera. Its going to do both well

They are also talking 5K a lot

This may well be priced over $4500.00

umphotography wrote in post #19057492
Looks like they answered the Image stabilization questions. It works in conjunction with existing IS lens....so its going to add 5 stops IBIS in addition to what you already have. Version 2 lens should be killer on this body

Conjunction
the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.

It is also looking like this is really a big big video upgrade camera. Lots of good things for still photographers. But video guys will love it

here is the video
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=H-1rJGHgpqM

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They just read aloud the Canon press release that's already been listed in this thread: "....works in conjunction with many RF and EF lenses." That's just information from Canon's April 20 release.

We still don't know what that actually means.

I do think that Canon has actually gotten something fixed in their process. I think that for several years--maybe as long as a decade--they've simply been behind Sony in sensor development and they solved their technical problem a few years ago...not that they've been deliberately dragging their feet.

I'm still going with my earlier prediction that the camera will be available for $3500 by Christmas (although that might be a temporary sale).

Tom Reichner wrote in post #19052743
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That would be unbelievably annoying, and cost one many, many great images. . I can't believe that Canon would ever design something so freaking stupid.

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Given the intended market position of the R and RP, it isn't too surprising! The PHD user (Push here, dummy) who needs to immediately see what was just captured, so they can try over if the photo is unsatisfactory in subject expression.

Absolutely no blackout might work well for video shooting continuously, but it would seem that some visual feedback of some form would assure the still shooter that 'something happened' rather than 'no photo taken' because focus lock was not achieved or some other reason where foolish-user-automation prevented a shot being taken .

downhillonwater wrote in post #19052795
My two cents. I will am considering buying an R5 and lenses immediately since I'm upgrading from 5d3 and am recently retired and chasing light a lot more often now. If the camera doesn't deliver, I'll switch to Sony. I think the odds heavily favor an R5 purchase, but time will tell.

Being recently retired, it might not yet matter to your pocketbook...

After seeing that a number of lenses appear to be offered in both RF mount as well as EF mount -- same FL same max aperture so "must be 'same lens' " -- I did some initial investigation. The RF version optic tends to carry a premium of about $400-1000 higher MSRP as well as typical NYC selling price. https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19024336

So coming from a 5DIII, use of the mount adapter with EF lens would seem to be a more economic way of trying out the RF mount camera, but without appreciation of what use of RF lens advantages (the extra control on RF the lens, for example) that might otherwise sway a preference to RF.

umphotography wrote in post #19057492
Looks like they answered the Image stabilization questions. It works in conjunction with existing IS lens....so its going to add 5 stops IBIS in addition to what you already have.

That confirms my memory. I have been accused of fabricating the idea that some people are claiming that two stabilization systems add their stops, and I thought it was you, way back, and wasn't sure enough to mention you bty name, and now I am sure it was you. This is where it started; you made a statement like that, and I said that you can't add the stops of stabilization, and then other people argued against me, as if I were an "IBIS denier", when, in fact, all I ever denied is that the two systems can simply and blindly add their efforts.

Wilt wrote in post #19057587
Being recently retired, it might not yet matter to your pocketbook...

After seeing that a number of lenses appear to be offered in both RF mount as well as EF mount -- same FL same max aperture so "must be 'same lens' " -- I did some initial investigation. The RF version optic tends to carry a premium of about $400-1000 higher MSRP as well as typical NYC selling price. https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=19024336

So coming from a 5DIII, use of the mount adapter with EF lens would seem to be a more economic way of trying out the RF mount camera, but without appreciation of what use of RF lens advantages (the extra control on RF the lens, for example) that might otherwise sway a preference to RF.

You can use the control ring adapter to get that control ring goodness with EF lenses. The control ring adapter tastes great, and it's good for you, too.

I was looking for a new camera, considered the M5, M50 , etc as well as the RP & R, i was pretty interested in these new mirrorless cameras. It ended up being nope, nope, nope, nope & nope. I thought that having 2 different mirrorless mounts was foolish. Canon NEEDS to drop that M mount pronto! If I bought a camera with an M mount then I couldn't buy the full frame lenses and move on to a FF RP mount camera later - no thanks. The EOS-RP and EOS-R - not terrible cameras but have enough short-comings to get me to rule out buying either. I especially doubted that I'd be happy with the performance with fast moving subjects (rally cars, motorcycles).

I did see that Canon was spending an absolute fortune developing and releasing a really good range of RF lenses, but with only the RP or R that could use them, I had to assume that sales were poor. How much money have Canon been losing on those lenses? My thought was that Canon needs to pull finger and put out a really good (like, game changing good) camera that uses the RF mount, THEN they might start selling those nice new lenses in decent quantities. They need to not hold back, even if the new RF mount camera blows all their D-SLR cameras out of the water!

It is looking more and more like Canon has done what I was thinking they should do, this new camera looks amazing! It really does look like every single camera in Canon's current line-up will be outdone by a very large margin. In body stabilisation will be available on only 1 Canon body and 5 stops is pretty impressive. I wonder what I could get with the 70-200 f2.8 IS III lens + R5 body? It is unlikely to be 8 stops, probably more like 6 stops - but that is still pretty darned good! Then there is the 24-70 f2.8 that doesn't have IS, it would gain 5 stops of IS by mounting it on the R5, that is pretty huge!

I'm excited to see the release of this camera, but a bit worried about how much it will cost. Canon needs to continue releasing good RF mount cameras, like an R1 and an R50 maybe? Then they could work hard of improving the sports shooting performance even more and release the R1X.

KiwiMark wrote in post #19057676
I was looking for a new camera, considered the M5, M50 , etc as well as the RP & R, i was pretty interested in these new mirrorless cameras. It ended up being nope, nope, nope, nope & nope. I thought that having 2 different mirrorless mounts was foolish. Canon NEEDS to drop that M mount pronto! If I bought a camera with an M mount then I couldn't buy the full frame lenses and move on to a FF RP mount camera later - no thanks. The EOS-RP and EOS-R - not terrible cameras but have enough short-comings to get me to rule out buying either. I especially doubted that I'd be happy with the performance with fast moving subjects (rally cars, motorcycles).

The M mount is really for a different purpose, IMO. It's a compact travel body, and having much smaller EF-M lenses works well for that purpose. I own 5D3 (EF mount), 7D2 (EF mount), EOS R (RF mount) and EOS M50 (EF-M mount) bodies, and honestly have no issue with the M lenses not working on my other bodies. The M50, along with EF-M 11-20mm, 15-45mm, 50-200mm and 22mm f/2 lenses, makes for a very small and light kit when I want to travel light. The lenses were not that expensive, so having them dedicated to my M50 isn't a big deal. I do not want physically big lenses for that body.

The guy at petapixel also said its the exact body as the EOS R.....but obviously not the same guts and sensor

Again, Its all going to boil down to performance. I suspect its going to be killer but we will see how it does in the dark

I also think that with covid19 and the economy going into the toilet that if this thing comes in closer to 5k v/s closer to 4k then its going to be a big leap for many. The wedding industry is a 60 Billion a year industry. 2020 just went into the toilet and the industry will be lucky to see a billion. Predictions are its going to be a complete loss.....Our business which normally exceeds 85K a year is now on its butt....WE Lost all weddings for 2020.....I can tell you that the entire wedding photographer industry for 2020 is in serious trouble for finances.....I dont know anyone who is going to jump out and grab a camera with the hit this industry just took.....If they price it at current 5D4 prices...it might sell....just depends on what 2021 is going to look like..could be disastrous

2020 is a total disaster for the wedding industry and camera sales are going to reflect this

Good malware views in the last couple of replies. Like computer malware it can be spread around by quite a few different methods.

But getting back to the camera. People seem to be in the belief that the camera world is made up of professionals. It contributes of course but...

It is the amateur, serious amateur and wealthy (enough) pensioners that make up the bulk of the market for both lens, cameras and accessories.

The R5 will sell like hotcakes and the back order lists will be very very long.

umphotography wrote in post #19057492
Looks like they answered the Image stabilization questions. It works in conjunction with existing IS lens....so its going to add 5 stops IBIS in addition to what you already have.

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Looks like they answered the Image stabilization questions. It works in conjunction with existing IS lens.
There was no question for those not living in a Canon bubble. Now Nikon will be the only manufacturer without IBIS that works in conjunction with Lens IS.

..so its going to add 5 stops IBIS in addition to what you already have. NO! That is not the meaning of the "works in conjunction with". All it means is that IBIS and Lens IS will work together, at the same time, on the same task. It in no way implies, states,or insinuates that a result of the collaborative effort results in a sum of the results that each system achieves on their own.

Not being in a Canon bubble, I know that other manufacturers claim about 1.5 stops extra compensation. Also being aware that manufacturers can overstate what technology can do, I don't consider those claims as fact. It's not like 'Total Effective Pixels"', or 'Maximum ISO' which are specs easily confirmed. Canon reduced the compensation claims of the most recent EF 70-200 lenses. Nobody could check these claims.

The two systems working together will offer some improvement. That's reality.
Summing the two systems to have 10 or more stops of compensation is not reality.

The Video specs is what has me most interested. I shoot some Video, stills is my primary use.

Unless there is a surprise release from another manufacturer, Canon will now be top dog for hybrid stills / video cameras.
So Canon will prosper and we get more great Canon products, and or, other manufacturers will try to compete.
Win win for consumers.